If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.

  • neebay [any,undecided]
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    4 years ago

    I do believe in over population, but not in the Malthusian sense

    it's not something that can be blamed on the poor, because it's a geometric problem of consumption*population, and the poor consume relatively very little

    a subsistence farmer having eight kids in Benin is doing far less damage than a middle class suburbanite having a single child in the US, environmentally speaking

    • TheCaconym [any]
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      4 years ago

      a subsistence farmer having eight kids in Benin is doing far less damage than a middle class suburbanite having a single child in the US, environmentally speaking

      The delta is even more mind boggling than that; did a quick calculation once and based on per-capita emissions, for example, an Ethiopian woman could have 150 kids and still not reach the same emissions induced by one US kid.

    • _else [she/her,they/them]
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      4 years ago

      no, it's consumptionXpopulationXwaste.

      there are three factors there, not two. and one of them is very very very large in the present system.

      the fact that it's never mentioned tells me this isn't what these "people" chanting "overpopulation" are concerned about, and if they want to lower the population, they can put their mouth where they say it is and eat a gun. I might even believe they believed what they said if they did. but they won't. because it's all about the exploitation. the core of waste.

      they're not afraid of overpopulation; they're afraid of equality. they're afraid of fairness. they're afraid of treating the global south like human fucking beings.

      fuck them. and fuck their bullshit arguments. you wanna save the literal world? destroy capitalism. destroy states. destroy inequality that makes us squander our labor and resources on not being one of the "have nots" and crab bucketing humanity just so we can be on top of the pile. if that isn't your first step, you might consider that you're a genocidal classist racist piece of shit. if that isn't your first step and you reproduced, consider that you're a genocidal racist classist piece of shit who should fucking kill yourself; both to compensate for the stress your kid puts on the system, and to avoid making your kid racist classist genocidal piece of shit like you.

      • Stalin2024 [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        You are fighting against imaginary enemies. Ecofascists exist, but their views are not being represented here. What people are saying is that improving standards of living help to reduce population growth, and that is a good thing. That is a universally accepted fact.

        • _else [she/her,they/them]
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          4 years ago

          i don't think the people im ranting about are here. but im aware they exist. I hate them so very much.