If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.
If you think the earth is dying because poor people are having too many babies, that's about three logical steps away from ecofascism.
I'm sorry, this is a very condescending way to speak to leftists. Why do you think that people who post here of all places are unable to imagine a world, or think about a problem, outside of capitalism? It's just a disrespectful way to treat people you disagree with instead of just accepting they disagree with you about the severity of the problem and debating the details.
Under any system including luxury space communism there is going to be a level of carbon emission related to providing people with a particular standard of living. We all agree here that no person anywhere on Earth is more entitled to that standard of living than anyone else. So in our drive to reach that global standard, there must be discussion about how that standard produces waste and feeds on extraction.
Obviously there is waste under a capitalist framework where my pants are made from cotton grown in Madagascar, shipped to the Philippines for processing then to Vietnam for assembly then shipped to me, but you cannot just hand-wave away the idea that a) there are going to be significant emissions unrelated to waste and b) socialism itself doesn't guarantee the elimination of waste.
So accepting that none of these values will be fixed (as new technologies increase efficiencies, deserts can be reclaimed, rates of consumption may increase or decrease) there still needs to be a frank discussion about the population rate that can be sustained at a certain level of standard of living, and those two values will need to be in negotiation with each other.
I’m not trying to be condescending which is why I even added the part about asking any questions, etc.
You’re absolutely correct that socialism does not guarantee the elimination of waste and I 100% agree, but what socialism DOES that capitalism does not is incentivize the collective care of our environment as degradation of the environment is inherently the degradation of our collective. Under capitalism, addressing the climate crisis is not profitable and therefore not even a facet of where labor is directed. Under socialism this would be vastly different as the maintenance of our planet is intrinsically tied to the maintenance of an equitable society and thus socialism itself.
My point is this is obvious to everybody who posts here, it's not some amazing revelation of privileged knowledge only you have. Nobody here supports capitalism, everybody here is aware that its fundamental construction leads to waste and eventual catastrophe.
So gee maybe if people here think overpopulation is a problem they're already factored in the waste inherent in capitalism. Maybe calling us reactionaries instead of listening and discussing where we disagree isn't the most productive approach.
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I openly said I’m not shitting on people for having these opinions and it’s not their fault, meaning they aren’t reactionaries. It is, however, a reactionary opinion to have sadly which is why I addressed it and wrote a big long post about it
Sorry, you don't get to decide if my thoughts are reactionary or not I'm afraid no matter what community you mod lol.
Honestly you sound like a lib who accuses leftists of being right wing because they criticize Biden. Like they literally can't conceive of the possibility that there could be a legitimate reason to criticize him because there are bad people who do that for dumb reasons, so whoever does it is bad.
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I’m not saying it because I mod a community, I’m saying it because Marx and Engels both said Malthusian theory was wrong and based in reaction