Lol I got in at $80 I’m a fucking teacher not a bougie champagne socialist. I guess the “one true leftist” test includes an income bracket now?? :agony-yehaw:
This is like.... Blatantly ignoring the entire point of the post. This isn't a purity test. This is a "what do 'Leftists' spend their time/money on?" test.
And.... we shouldn't? I'm sorry, I don't understand these takes. Are we LARPing this shit? Like are we not trying to tear down the disgusting capitalist system in place and build a better society out of the ruins? If you're not, that's fine I guess, you'll be someone else to work on for those that are trying to make the world a better place.
First, I want to say that I seefolks complaining about people moving like thousands of dollars, but I've not seen anyone on this website say they've done that. I just now scrolled thru some c/finance threads to double check. So I feel like there's a disconnect between (part of) the complaints and the reality, as least as I see it. Redditors are the ones throwing around thousands, not Chapos (HexBearians?), from what I see.
With that said...
And… we shouldn’t?
No! It's incredibly divisive. Where does it end? If this isn't put in check, we're going to end up with some shit like people in the food comm shaming others for not buying the store brand ingredients, or the games comm for spending any time or money on games when that could be better spent! It's judgmental, holier-than-thou nonsense.
If anyone did have thousands to gamble in this way, then, as has been said elsewhere ITT, hopefully they put some of any gains they get to beneficial causes.
First, I want to say that I see folks complaining about people moving like thousands of dollars
I don't know about those people, my opinion is that spending any money on stocks at all is a waste of time, resources, and most likely a bunch of research that could be better spent on better things. I don't spend enough time on here to know how exactly prevalent it is, but it's all over the front page.
No! It’s incredibly divisive.
Being a Leftist is divisive... It's believing in building a plurality of solidarity among working people such that we can overthrow the current system and replace it with a better one. If that's not divisive I'm not sure I know what is haha
Where does it end?
I don't think most leftists are super unreasonable. I think if you spend extra money at the grocery store or on video games no one is gonna be very mad. If you're spending thousands on video games and spending your time on that rather than mutual aid, that's a different story. The key is moderation. But participation in the bourgeoisie system that is the stock market..? Why? What material benefit does that give us that spending that time and those resources on something else wouldn't? Putting $100 into the stock market is $100 you could use to set up or help maintain a community garden. Below a_blanqui_slate said both sides think the other is LARPing, which is fine as long as the work is getting done it doesn't matter what people think, but we're pretty disorganized here on the Left. I help run a Leftist group on my local Nextdoor and it only has 19 members. I put up flyers and barely get responses at all. There's 12k+ people on chapo, that alone should be enough for a few hundred people in every state to be able to get a movement going. To me, this sort of getting into the weeds of the stock market is just a waste of time that distracts from the goal.
It’s judgmental, holier-than-thou nonsense.
What I'm about to say is going to, most likely, sound exactly like that. I'm gonna say it anyway because I'm going through a manic episode and got drunk to cope.
We should be judgemental. If all 12k+ people here on chapo worked on local organizing/mutual aid/making and throwing seed bombs of edible plants we could make a huge difference. The LARPing accusation should be leveled more often. Maybe it'll motivate people to go out and help. But if it doesn't and it turns people away that weren't doing anything anyway? Why do we care about those people in an online space?
Both sides think the other side is the one LARPing and they’re both probably right.
I mean in that case who cares, right? If we can't even focus enough on our main goal then why not just LARP. I live in a fairly large population area and there's far fewer people doing anything materially beneficial for their community than Twitter/Chapo/Reddit population distribution should suggest, so I imagine you're pretty correct anyway.
This website doesn't really have a main goal. The relationship between politics and this website is almost entirely unidirectional, and that's okay, and true for all but the largest websites, and even then the websites can only influence politics in an aggregate, institutional level.
When someone tells you on this website you're doing leftism incorrectly, they might be right or they might be wrong, and everyone here should have the epistemic humility to acknowledge that, but in the end it doesn't actually matter and isn't something that should factor terribly heavily in your self-image.
Lol I got in at $80 I’m a fucking teacher not a bougie champagne socialist. I guess the “one true leftist” test includes an income bracket now?? :agony-yehaw:
This is like.... Blatantly ignoring the entire point of the post. This isn't a purity test. This is a "what do 'Leftists' spend their time/money on?" test.
The inevitable consequence of the "what do the chapo hosts do with the Patreon money" is that we'd eventually turn that same attitude onto each other.
And.... we shouldn't? I'm sorry, I don't understand these takes. Are we LARPing this shit? Like are we not trying to tear down the disgusting capitalist system in place and build a better society out of the ruins? If you're not, that's fine I guess, you'll be someone else to work on for those that are trying to make the world a better place.
First, I want to say that I seefolks complaining about people moving like thousands of dollars, but I've not seen anyone on this website say they've done that. I just now scrolled thru some c/finance threads to double check. So I feel like there's a disconnect between (part of) the complaints and the reality, as least as I see it. Redditors are the ones throwing around thousands, not Chapos (HexBearians?), from what I see.
With that said...
No! It's incredibly divisive. Where does it end? If this isn't put in check, we're going to end up with some shit like people in the food comm shaming others for not buying the store brand ingredients, or the games comm for spending any time or money on games when that could be better spent! It's judgmental, holier-than-thou nonsense.
If anyone did have thousands to gamble in this way, then, as has been said elsewhere ITT, hopefully they put some of any gains they get to beneficial causes.
I don't know about those people, my opinion is that spending any money on stocks at all is a waste of time, resources, and most likely a bunch of research that could be better spent on better things. I don't spend enough time on here to know how exactly prevalent it is, but it's all over the front page.
Being a Leftist is divisive... It's believing in building a plurality of solidarity among working people such that we can overthrow the current system and replace it with a better one. If that's not divisive I'm not sure I know what is haha
I don't think most leftists are super unreasonable. I think if you spend extra money at the grocery store or on video games no one is gonna be very mad. If you're spending thousands on video games and spending your time on that rather than mutual aid, that's a different story. The key is moderation. But participation in the bourgeoisie system that is the stock market..? Why? What material benefit does that give us that spending that time and those resources on something else wouldn't? Putting $100 into the stock market is $100 you could use to set up or help maintain a community garden. Below a_blanqui_slate said both sides think the other is LARPing, which is fine as long as the work is getting done it doesn't matter what people think, but we're pretty disorganized here on the Left. I help run a Leftist group on my local Nextdoor and it only has 19 members. I put up flyers and barely get responses at all. There's 12k+ people on chapo, that alone should be enough for a few hundred people in every state to be able to get a movement going. To me, this sort of getting into the weeds of the stock market is just a waste of time that distracts from the goal.
What I'm about to say is going to, most likely, sound exactly like that. I'm gonna say it anyway because I'm going through a manic episode and got drunk to cope.
We should be judgemental. If all 12k+ people here on chapo worked on local organizing/mutual aid/making and throwing seed bombs of edible plants we could make a huge difference. The LARPing accusation should be leveled more often. Maybe it'll motivate people to go out and help. But if it doesn't and it turns people away that weren't doing anything anyway? Why do we care about those people in an online space?
Correct.
Both sides think the other side is the one LARPing and they're both probably right.
I mean in that case who cares, right? If we can't even focus enough on our main goal then why not just LARP. I live in a fairly large population area and there's far fewer people doing anything materially beneficial for their community than Twitter/Chapo/Reddit population distribution should suggest, so I imagine you're pretty correct anyway.
This website doesn't really have a main goal. The relationship between politics and this website is almost entirely unidirectional, and that's okay, and true for all but the largest websites, and even then the websites can only influence politics in an aggregate, institutional level.
When someone tells you on this website you're doing leftism incorrectly, they might be right or they might be wrong, and everyone here should have the epistemic humility to acknowledge that, but in the end it doesn't actually matter and isn't something that should factor terribly heavily in your self-image.
God damnit that 0 upvote trick gets me every time.
What the hell is going on lol
Upvoting yourself is bourgeoise decadence and I'll not have it xD