Even if you were to outright deny all criticism of China's Xijiang region as CIA OPs; the stuff that do we know about this region which China has slowly been releasing to the public and international community still isn't a good look.
I find it slightly hypocritical that leftists spend their days railing against the American empire, and imagine if you will America did some shit like this? "We're rounding up Muslim refugees in and around Minnesota in reeducation camps, don't worry their getting a full education and the Muslim nations have all signed onto it being a good program." That shit wouldn't fly for a second, everybody would be calling it a genocide, but because it's China and their flag is big and red and has nice shiny stars on it, it's okay because something something western CIA op something something.
I don't think what is happening in China is good by any means, and I wish that China would start straying away from it's iron fist politics but if your going to round up a major ethic minority and wipe off it's culture off the face of the earth, they honestly could be doing it alot worse and with alot more blood, that being said to stan China's camp interment program is cringe as fuck and being a cheeky memey genocide denying China defender makes you look like an asshole, even if all the western reporting is yellow journalism and trying to strike up a war.
Long story short, inform people that the media frenzy on China is a CIA OP meant to stoke a new cold war with China because China is quite literally going to surpass the United States in global dominance in a couple years, but be mindfully critical of China's iron fist politics, so it's honestly best not stan or hate a nation that literlly doesn't personally effect you in any way shape or form, its crank as fuck.
Re-education camps are preferable to the western option: killing them indiscriminately. The fact is you cannot allow religious fundamentalist extremists to carry out attacks on regular people and push for insurrection. Locking them up, breaking the bonds forged by extremism, and teaching them skills are all good for the country and world.
I mean the United States is supporting the Al Qaeda group in that area, you cannot understand that and think "China bad" for protecting their citizens while humanely dealing with a real, deadly problem.
They aren't tossing them into incinerators. They aren't locked up forever a la guantanimo. It's a deprograming platform. If you've got an alternative I'd love to hear it.
Perfect theory exists in the frictionless plane of the internet, and only there. The real world is not perfect. China has to do something to protect their country, because people exist that want to foment unrest and kill people. How do you deal with that?
Dealing with ethnic, national, and religious divisions is a key part of the project of building socialism, and something that can only be dealt with on a proletarian, socialist basis. The idea is to raise conditions for all workers by involving all workers, regardless of background, in the project of socialist transformation via working class control of the economy and society.
China is obviously not resolving these divisions on a socialist basis, which is why, sensationalized takes on genocide aside, you can see the Uighur minority facing real inequality, discrimination, and degrees of repression in China. This is much like how minority groups face inequality, discrimination, and repression in other capitalist nations. Capitalism breeds these problems by pitting worker against worker, and the dominant social/productive relations in China are capitalist.
And there are concrete examples of this question being resolved from the USSR—it’s not a question that exists only on the frictionless plane of the internet.
If you stick a gun to my head and said that you must chose between reeducation camps and unadulterated slaughter, I’d choose re-education, that being said much of the information China has released concerning their re-education program is preachy at best, I.E “These schools teach us why the CCP is best for leading the nation! :-)” and at worst, well we don’t know. All western journalism is Ahmed Chalabi level lies, you can’t trust any of it, but to totally believe China’s position saying that it’s deradicalization and nothing more is Naive and crank as fuck. These re-education centers are thinly veiled internment camps and I have no doubt that racism runs rampant between the Han and Uighurs, and some amount of abuse or discrimination most certainly happens behind the scenes, and this isn’t some Adrian Zenz shit, Chinese cultural isolation and historical racial tension is an unfortunate staple of Chinese society.
Believing fully what China says is ridiculous, you should be just as critical of them as you would the West, and you should always call out western lies of genocide for what they are; a call to war.
If you think China doesn't affect the entire Western world, you're in wacko land.
A viable Socialst alternative is the best chance for change in the material conditions of the West, and the CIA understands that well enough to fight against the 'viable alternative' with every bit of strength they have.
Meeting a liar halfway doesn't solve anything, it just leaves reality behind.
Yes, China doesn’t actively interfere in most westerners lives. Had this Uighur thing not entered the Western media space we wouldn’t even be talking about it, that’s how under the radar China is on the global stage.
Destroying culture? But they're actively combating imported wahhabism by way of generously funding traditional Uighur culture, right? The culture they're destroying is Saudi, ain't it?
Additionally, the US is notably doing worse than whats described about the PRC by imperialist outlets, right? But our screams of genocide are more muted on forced hestorectomies than they areon a place I learned existed a few years ago.
As from my understanding, China has been zeroing out cultural Uighur landmarks like shrines, memorials, and graveyards, and building parks, government buildings etc. on them. I don’t know the specifics of what goes on inside the schools but judging by the Uighur first hand accounts from reporters education is centered around the CCP and the ideology of the party, did they reach Uighur culture in schools prior the crackdown? No clue. Most sources are either China or War Hawks, so I’ll go off what we know so far, even if that information is questionable at best.
Ohh, gotcha.
Yeah, all of the PRC's support for Uighur culture I've read about as been outside of the schools, it's been funding for mosques, parades, pilgrimage, and such.
Do you happen to have sources on the destruction of structures? I haven't seen those claims since early on (when the Guardian number was still just "up to 1mil detained"), and at the time it was another one of those "satelite images confirm..." cases, which Sun Fy later checked in on and thoroughly debunked after the construction on the structures had finished. But I can check into it and see if what you're talking about has been debunked or not if you give me whatcha got, comrade : ]
Even if you were to outright deny all criticism of China's Xijiang region as CIA OPs; the stuff that do we know about this region which China has slowly been releasing to the public and international community still isn't a good look.
I find it slightly hypocritical that leftists spend their days railing against the American empire, and imagine if you will America did some shit like this? "We're rounding up Muslim refugees in and around Minnesota in reeducation camps, don't worry their getting a full education and the Muslim nations have all signed onto it being a good program." That shit wouldn't fly for a second, everybody would be calling it a genocide, but because it's China and their flag is big and red and has nice shiny stars on it, it's okay because something something western CIA op something something.
I don't think what is happening in China is good by any means, and I wish that China would start straying away from it's iron fist politics but if your going to round up a major ethic minority and wipe off it's culture off the face of the earth, they honestly could be doing it alot worse and with alot more blood, that being said to stan China's camp interment program is cringe as fuck and being a cheeky memey genocide denying China defender makes you look like an asshole, even if all the western reporting is yellow journalism and trying to strike up a war.
Long story short, inform people that the media frenzy on China is a CIA OP meant to stoke a new cold war with China because China is quite literally going to surpass the United States in global dominance in a couple years, but be mindfully critical of China's iron fist politics, so it's honestly best not stan or hate a nation that literlly doesn't personally effect you in any way shape or form, its crank as fuck.
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It's even funnier that the person doing it has an antiracist username
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I for one like the China fights. Exposing the worst qualities of a community with one easy trick!
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Re-education camps are preferable to the western option: killing them indiscriminately. The fact is you cannot allow religious fundamentalist extremists to carry out attacks on regular people and push for insurrection. Locking them up, breaking the bonds forged by extremism, and teaching them skills are all good for the country and world.
I mean the United States is supporting the Al Qaeda group in that area, you cannot understand that and think "China bad" for protecting their citizens while humanely dealing with a real, deadly problem.
They aren't tossing them into incinerators. They aren't locked up forever a la guantanimo. It's a deprograming platform. If you've got an alternative I'd love to hear it.
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Perfect theory exists in the frictionless plane of the internet, and only there. The real world is not perfect. China has to do something to protect their country, because people exist that want to foment unrest and kill people. How do you deal with that?
Dealing with ethnic, national, and religious divisions is a key part of the project of building socialism, and something that can only be dealt with on a proletarian, socialist basis. The idea is to raise conditions for all workers by involving all workers, regardless of background, in the project of socialist transformation via working class control of the economy and society.
China is obviously not resolving these divisions on a socialist basis, which is why, sensationalized takes on genocide aside, you can see the Uighur minority facing real inequality, discrimination, and degrees of repression in China. This is much like how minority groups face inequality, discrimination, and repression in other capitalist nations. Capitalism breeds these problems by pitting worker against worker, and the dominant social/productive relations in China are capitalist.
And there are concrete examples of this question being resolved from the USSR—it’s not a question that exists only on the frictionless plane of the internet.
Then doing nothing, allowing terrorism (including targeting LGBT) and conservative subjugation of women, is a greater-evilism.
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If you stick a gun to my head and said that you must chose between reeducation camps and unadulterated slaughter, I’d choose re-education, that being said much of the information China has released concerning their re-education program is preachy at best, I.E “These schools teach us why the CCP is best for leading the nation! :-)” and at worst, well we don’t know. All western journalism is Ahmed Chalabi level lies, you can’t trust any of it, but to totally believe China’s position saying that it’s deradicalization and nothing more is Naive and crank as fuck. These re-education centers are thinly veiled internment camps and I have no doubt that racism runs rampant between the Han and Uighurs, and some amount of abuse or discrimination most certainly happens behind the scenes, and this isn’t some Adrian Zenz shit, Chinese cultural isolation and historical racial tension is an unfortunate staple of Chinese society.
Believing fully what China says is ridiculous, you should be just as critical of them as you would the West, and you should always call out western lies of genocide for what they are; a call to war.
-7DeadlyFetishes
If you think China doesn't affect the entire Western world, you're in wacko land.
A viable Socialst alternative is the best chance for change in the material conditions of the West, and the CIA understands that well enough to fight against the 'viable alternative' with every bit of strength they have.
Meeting a liar halfway doesn't solve anything, it just leaves reality behind.
Yes, China doesn’t actively interfere in most westerners lives. Had this Uighur thing not entered the Western media space we wouldn’t even be talking about it, that’s how under the radar China is on the global stage.
-7DeadlyFetishes
Destroying culture? But they're actively combating imported wahhabism by way of generously funding traditional Uighur culture, right? The culture they're destroying is Saudi, ain't it? Additionally, the US is notably doing worse than whats described about the PRC by imperialist outlets, right? But our screams of genocide are more muted on forced hestorectomies than they areon a place I learned existed a few years ago.
As from my understanding, China has been zeroing out cultural Uighur landmarks like shrines, memorials, and graveyards, and building parks, government buildings etc. on them. I don’t know the specifics of what goes on inside the schools but judging by the Uighur first hand accounts from reporters education is centered around the CCP and the ideology of the party, did they reach Uighur culture in schools prior the crackdown? No clue. Most sources are either China or War Hawks, so I’ll go off what we know so far, even if that information is questionable at best.
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Ohh, gotcha. Yeah, all of the PRC's support for Uighur culture I've read about as been outside of the schools, it's been funding for mosques, parades, pilgrimage, and such. Do you happen to have sources on the destruction of structures? I haven't seen those claims since early on (when the Guardian number was still just "up to 1mil detained"), and at the time it was another one of those "satelite images confirm..." cases, which Sun Fy later checked in on and thoroughly debunked after the construction on the structures had finished. But I can check into it and see if what you're talking about has been debunked or not if you give me whatcha got, comrade : ]
America has mandatory education, sex ed classes, and ESL classes.