They're right about how problematic, and ultimately a death blow to the long term viability of the site, it is, that well established and good faith posters here have to create alts to express their true opinions, less they be smited down by by our mighty overlord mods. It also creates a lot of resentment and walking in eggshells by users.
I'm sure Corr3ct would be a lot more tactful with the above comment, and probably more understanding of where TC69 was coming from, if they weren't put in a position of building resentment over time resulting from small amounts of dissent and disagreement being bannable offences.
Create pressure cookers and eventually they will blow.
if you've got TOR and shit, sure. but being told you're not wanted somewhere is a thing. and if you're not deferential to authority, like many lefties, that eventually ends up being just about everywhere.
They aren't doing IP bans, so I don't think you'd need TOR. From what I've heard the people who get repeat banned either (1) keep crossing the same lines that got them banned in the first place or (2) keep bringing up their issues with the original ban.
The vast majority of bans wouldn't be a big deal if the banned user shrugged, made a new account, and posted better. The main problem is personal investment in one's online alias.
this is just how I use the internet in our dystopian panopticon hell world. I literally don't go online without TOR or at least a commercial proxy nowadays.
but being told im unwelcome in a place is a bigger deal to me than a new name. it creates a kind of opposition to a place. even if i reengage it's different, with more hostility, and a lot less respect for the people there.
I definitely get that sentiment. Ideally, I think bans should be accompanied by a "you got bounced, but you're welcome to make a new account and come back in" message. We need to fight the feeling you're describing while maintaining some way to frustrate trolls/wreckers/incorrigibles.
yeah but after a while its just kind of.. everywhere. it becomes a default in places that aren't explicitly inclusive, and those include people whose inclusion that excludes me.
My understanding is that we can't really ban people permanently. We don't do IP bans (which can be circumvented anyways), so as long as a user doesn't (1) keep doing bannable stuff or (2) make it apparent that they're a banned user, they can easily get back in.
So why not do warnings, temp bans, etc.? It adds a whole layer of administrative work for the mods and a bunch more opportunities for people to dispute how they've been treated. A system that creates a bunch of work isn't a great one, and we want to have a way to push back on shitty behavior without causing tons of "I've been treated so unfairly!" drama. Making bans less of a big deal would accomplish both, and (because we can't perma ban people anyway) it would have the same effect on more persistent assholes.
okay but when youre marginalized enough and properly disgusted by the idea of boot licking; literally every space feels like that. like I don't assume I'm welcome anywhere, and it's just a matter of time before im asked to leave. including here. if it hasn't happened yet, I just assume nobody's been paying attention.
i occasionally poke the mods, if its a place like this, just to check. which is maybe rude, but fuck it; it's got an expiration date anyway, right?
which isn't to say ive never gone back anywhere with a new account, but it's not the same when you know you're unwelcome, and that shit builds up over time across places/clubs/social groups/bars/old pre-facebook boards/subreddits/wherevertheshitelse.
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They're right about how problematic, and ultimately a death blow to the long term viability of the site, it is, that well established and good faith posters here have to create alts to express their true opinions, less they be smited down by by our mighty overlord mods. It also creates a lot of resentment and walking in eggshells by users.
I'm sure Corr3ct would be a lot more tactful with the above comment, and probably more understanding of where TC69 was coming from, if they weren't put in a position of building resentment over time resulting from small amounts of dissent and disagreement being bannable offences.
Create pressure cookers and eventually they will blow.
With very few exceptions, no one here should care about their account being banned. You can just make a new one.
if you've got TOR and shit, sure. but being told you're not wanted somewhere is a thing. and if you're not deferential to authority, like many lefties, that eventually ends up being just about everywhere.
They aren't doing IP bans, so I don't think you'd need TOR. From what I've heard the people who get repeat banned either (1) keep crossing the same lines that got them banned in the first place or (2) keep bringing up their issues with the original ban.
The vast majority of bans wouldn't be a big deal if the banned user shrugged, made a new account, and posted better. The main problem is personal investment in one's online alias.
this is just how I use the internet in our dystopian panopticon hell world. I literally don't go online without TOR or at least a commercial proxy nowadays.
but being told im unwelcome in a place is a bigger deal to me than a new name. it creates a kind of opposition to a place. even if i reengage it's different, with more hostility, and a lot less respect for the people there.
I definitely get that sentiment. Ideally, I think bans should be accompanied by a "you got bounced, but you're welcome to make a new account and come back in" message. We need to fight the feeling you're describing while maintaining some way to frustrate trolls/wreckers/incorrigibles.
yeah but after a while its just kind of.. everywhere. it becomes a default in places that aren't explicitly inclusive, and those include people whose inclusion that excludes me.
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My understanding is that we can't really ban people permanently. We don't do IP bans (which can be circumvented anyways), so as long as a user doesn't (1) keep doing bannable stuff or (2) make it apparent that they're a banned user, they can easily get back in.
So why not do warnings, temp bans, etc.? It adds a whole layer of administrative work for the mods and a bunch more opportunities for people to dispute how they've been treated. A system that creates a bunch of work isn't a great one, and we want to have a way to push back on shitty behavior without causing tons of "I've been treated so unfairly!" drama. Making bans less of a big deal would accomplish both, and (because we can't perma ban people anyway) it would have the same effect on more persistent assholes.
Yeah recognition of other people is overrated, what is it even good for anyway?
An anonymous internet name isn't a person. We shouldn't treat them as such.
okay but when youre marginalized enough and properly disgusted by the idea of boot licking; literally every space feels like that. like I don't assume I'm welcome anywhere, and it's just a matter of time before im asked to leave. including here. if it hasn't happened yet, I just assume nobody's been paying attention.
i occasionally poke the mods, if its a place like this, just to check. which is maybe rude, but fuck it; it's got an expiration date anyway, right?
which isn't to say ive never gone back anywhere with a new account, but it's not the same when you know you're unwelcome, and that shit builds up over time across places/clubs/social groups/bars/old pre-facebook boards/subreddits/wherevertheshitelse.
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My thoughts exactly. You're not alone in this.
@Corr3ct eat my ass :PIGPOOPBALLS:
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My previous account was banned for saying this exact same thing. I said about the original "2 week notice" and I quote:
It sounds like you have an obligation to post some hog
Power users in general were a mistake.
Redistribute the attention to all posters.