so its not vocal fry you hate, but literally anything that goes up to the frequencies that cis women typically hit at the high points of speaking in vocal fry? so its just the bodies of, like, whatever % of the population?
and you didn't think to maybe be pissed about the frequency response on your headphones, and how they don't handle high frequencies well?
or are we back to the problem being (mostly) cis women?
oh, wait, no, because you hate when men do it too, right? so it's clearly not just a matter of frequencies, because both cis and trans guys tend to have deeper speaking voices than cis women we assumed you might have been having a problem with earlier and....
oh hey we're back at this being a completely cultural thing with absolutely no connection to material condition! and what are the associations of vocal fry in your culture?
I’m not attacking woman. What is your issue here? That I’m not using a dialectic approach to why I don’t like high frequencies? Why jump into this struggle session?
its a big red flag for misogynistic shit, you're the one who raised it. its part of huge systemic biases and the underlying machinery of bigotry that grinds people the fuck down every fucking day. this isn't "which is the best way", this is "you're being part of so very many problems" its a diff kind of struggle session, and not jumping in to this kind would be shitty.
fuck it when I sober up I won't even respect you (collectively, to just however many billion of you aren't reading this) enough to tell you you're wrong, and we can go back to pretending that's my approval of all your fucked up shit, because I'll know you can't and won't do better and there's no point in trying to explain it to you. leave this unresponded to and I can just let you blend into the bigoted awful shitty capitalist tyranny that's just kind o f everything.
Oh spare me please. I fucking forgot I’m not allowed to voice my opinion since I’m not a targeted in anyway in society. But whatever. I’m not a good enough communist because I am a misogynist for saying vocal fry hurts my ears. Absolutely ridiculous and just keeps making me wonder why I even come to this place anymore.
its not voicing your opinion, it's the fact that you're unwilling to examine it and where it comes from, that we know it comes from this shitty place, and you're saying it sprang forth ex fucking nihilo. that you're so resistant to fucking introspection and the very idea that you might not be perfect already, that you put all this effort into preserving the ways you suck.
if you're that fucking perfect, why even fucking try? its all already done, right? just waiting for the world to fall in line and... worship you? give you whatever you think you fucking deserve just by virtue of being you? fuck, why not wear a crown while you're at it?
but again, in a few hours I won't respect you enough to think you can or would ever want to do better and I'll look at all this trying to ask someone to be better, to want a better self and a better world and just anything better than this, and think "wtf did I take?"
What? No? I’m a product of my environment and I’m only who I am because of intense pressure from forces outside of my conception, the material conditions I was raised in, etc.
great! now, are you going to argue that you're not currently in/definitely from a deeeeeeeply misogynist shit hole that uses the gender divide to extract free labor and dehumanize both classes of people to one another in that weird freaky fetishizing way that keeps reproduction going but still keeps people of differing genders alienated from one another that capitalists do so love to build on the bones of any haunted (traditional (deeply problematic in varying ways from culture to culture depending on previous system of oppression) gender hierarchies) burial ground they can get their hands on?
hey back to that argument I made way too much at length:
does it hurt your ears? or is it both men and women doing it that bugs you?
because if its both, then its entirely psychosemantic. its a group fucking hallucination bullshit of misogyny and capitalist media. this is a PSA that you've been fucked. that they got you. and you're fighting against it. why?
you're not gonna examine it any more than that self pitying defensive bullshit? really? again; i won't care about this in a few hours. ill think I was stupid for arguing any of this. im the closest thing to some sort of platonic idea of a stupid thought experiment ghost that exists only for the conversation that you're gonna find. so why the defensiveness?
Because I’m a dumb lib and only like the idea of politics and revolutionary action while using opportunistic language to coop leftists for my own personal gain.
well im unironically glad you could have this moment of impressive growth as a person. im very happy for you. a few more like you around, and, fuck, the future doesn't look so dark. what heights you all might reach!
Yeah I think you are thinking of uptalk. It doesn't happen to me, but there is some conceivable basis for vocal fry causing discomfort. For example (unrelated to fry or uptalk) some youtube videos that I watch cause physical discomfort in my ears-- kind of like a milder form of when you hear something really loud and your ear shuts off. Something about the way the voice is mixed is just physically grating. Even turning the audio down to barely perceptible levels doesn't solve it.
Uptalk is a purely prescpitivist social thing, like you said.
and the criticism is still bullshit and anyone complaining about frequency here is literally just saying bigoted bullshit and blaming cis women for adjusting voices to their culture to gain respect. its a no-win situation and you're perpetuating it. so yes, oops, wrong thing, but also I think some other people were talking about the wrong thing, and shitting on either is bullshit. you do not find those frequencies annoying from a material perspective, this is cultural and cultural biases should always be interrogated..
so its not vocal fry you hate, but literally anything that goes up to the frequencies that cis women typically hit at the high points of speaking in vocal fry? so its just the bodies of, like, whatever % of the population?
and you didn't think to maybe be pissed about the frequency response on your headphones, and how they don't handle high frequencies well?
or are we back to the problem being (mostly) cis women?
oh, wait, no, because you hate when men do it too, right? so it's clearly not just a matter of frequencies, because both cis and trans guys tend to have deeper speaking voices than cis women we assumed you might have been having a problem with earlier and....
oh hey we're back at this being a completely cultural thing with absolutely no connection to material condition! and what are the associations of vocal fry in your culture?
I’m not attacking woman. What is your issue here? That I’m not using a dialectic approach to why I don’t like high frequencies? Why jump into this struggle session?
its a big red flag for misogynistic shit, you're the one who raised it. its part of huge systemic biases and the underlying machinery of bigotry that grinds people the fuck down every fucking day. this isn't "which is the best way", this is "you're being part of so very many problems" its a diff kind of struggle session, and not jumping in to this kind would be shitty.
fuck it when I sober up I won't even respect you (collectively, to just however many billion of you aren't reading this) enough to tell you you're wrong, and we can go back to pretending that's my approval of all your fucked up shit, because I'll know you can't and won't do better and there's no point in trying to explain it to you. leave this unresponded to and I can just let you blend into the bigoted awful shitty capitalist tyranny that's just kind o f everything.
but for now: fuck you do better.
Oh spare me please. I fucking forgot I’m not allowed to voice my opinion since I’m not a targeted in anyway in society. But whatever. I’m not a good enough communist because I am a misogynist for saying vocal fry hurts my ears. Absolutely ridiculous and just keeps making me wonder why I even come to this place anymore.
its not voicing your opinion, it's the fact that you're unwilling to examine it and where it comes from, that we know it comes from this shitty place, and you're saying it sprang forth ex fucking nihilo. that you're so resistant to fucking introspection and the very idea that you might not be perfect already, that you put all this effort into preserving the ways you suck.
if you're that fucking perfect, why even fucking try? its all already done, right? just waiting for the world to fall in line and... worship you? give you whatever you think you fucking deserve just by virtue of being you? fuck, why not wear a crown while you're at it?
but again, in a few hours I won't respect you enough to think you can or would ever want to do better and I'll look at all this trying to ask someone to be better, to want a better self and a better world and just anything better than this, and think "wtf did I take?"
I’m just me.
okay. and that's some essential thing, entirely separate from your environment?
What? No? I’m a product of my environment and I’m only who I am because of intense pressure from forces outside of my conception, the material conditions I was raised in, etc.
great! now, are you going to argue that you're not currently in/definitely from a deeeeeeeply misogynist shit hole that uses the gender divide to extract free labor and dehumanize both classes of people to one another in that weird freaky fetishizing way that keeps reproduction going but still keeps people of differing genders alienated from one another that capitalists do so love to build on the bones of any haunted (traditional (deeply problematic in varying ways from culture to culture depending on previous system of oppression) gender hierarchies) burial ground they can get their hands on?
hey back to that argument I made way too much at length:
does it hurt your ears? or is it both men and women doing it that bugs you?
because if its both, then its entirely psychosemantic. its a group fucking hallucination bullshit of misogyny and capitalist media. this is a PSA that you've been fucked. that they got you. and you're fighting against it. why?
Because I’m a counter revolutionary apparently.
you're not gonna examine it any more than that self pitying defensive bullshit? really? again; i won't care about this in a few hours. ill think I was stupid for arguing any of this. im the closest thing to some sort of platonic idea of a stupid thought experiment ghost that exists only for the conversation that you're gonna find. so why the defensiveness?
Because I’m a dumb lib and only like the idea of politics and revolutionary action while using opportunistic language to coop leftists for my own personal gain.
well im unironically glad you could have this moment of impressive growth as a person. im very happy for you. a few more like you around, and, fuck, the future doesn't look so dark. what heights you all might reach!
except vocal fry is in lower frequencies?
am i mixing it up with the other thing? the shit we're policing peoples voices for and the current fashions are so hard to follow
Yeah I think you are thinking of uptalk. It doesn't happen to me, but there is some conceivable basis for vocal fry causing discomfort. For example (unrelated to fry or uptalk) some youtube videos that I watch cause physical discomfort in my ears-- kind of like a milder form of when you hear something really loud and your ear shuts off. Something about the way the voice is mixed is just physically grating. Even turning the audio down to barely perceptible levels doesn't solve it.
Uptalk is a purely prescpitivist social thing, like you said.
i think a lot of people get them mixed up
and the criticism is still bullshit and anyone complaining about frequency here is literally just saying bigoted bullshit and blaming cis women for adjusting voices to their culture to gain respect. its a no-win situation and you're perpetuating it. so yes, oops, wrong thing, but also I think some other people were talking about the wrong thing, and shitting on either is bullshit. you do not find those frequencies annoying from a material perspective, this is cultural and cultural biases should always be interrogated..
what?
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