dude. read your responses here, from this whole conversation, back to yourself. look at the way you phrased them. look at the arguments you're making. ask yourself, be honest (you not me, dont even tell me the answer you come to) where and who you think talks like that?
Look, I’ve already told the mods to ban me and remove my comments. I won’t make another account and I’ll just fuck off like you and everyone else in this thread wants.
the request is to be better. why is THIS THING something you can't examine? something that can't have seeped in and be a product of the bullshit misogyny all around you?
did you feel this strongly yesterday? that's usually a good indicator of whether an emotion has a reactionary component. again; the answer is for you, not for me.
All I was saying that I didn’t think it was necessary to have called out people for being misogynists since they said they don’t like vocal fry. Was never trying to hate on women or get into some philosophical argument about why I am a misogynist secretly and have only ever done no-growths.
maybe, but a lot of your responses here were very reactionary, and your original arguments were inconsistent. bigotry isn't something you get up in the morning to do , and put on your "ima murder some black people" mask and... okay bad example. it's usually not that. like, nobody has wifebeating gloves (except cops), that they change into like some creepy supervillain bullshit
its little things, little jabs that people get from a thousand different directions over and over again. and the request here is to not be one of them. its your reactions that are the most worrying thing here. it's fine though. by my material measurement, this argument has cost you nothing, not even a surrendered bit of ego, and im probably gonna end up spending like a hundred dollars getting some asshole a pair of boots.
Yes and you’re drunk replies weren’t at all reactionary since you have held onto them since before yesterday. I get it too, you’re smarter than me and can find inconsistencies in my arguments. Congratulations. You are correct again and I am wrong once more.
my point at least isn't "you're hating on" it was "youre contributing to a structure of devaluation and shittiness that has poisoned your mind, and is using you to propagandize diminish and colonize others"
nobody here suspected you of having a special pair of wife beating gloves and a special cat calling whistle. that's not how this shit (usually) works. its more like viruses. this is a contact telling you "hey, um, dude? did you send me this email asking if I want to buy viagra from a nigerian prince so he can affort his dick extension?"
I don't think that's what it seems like. I've read most of the exchange and I don't think you hate women but you probably are unwilling to do a bit of self examination. As you acknowledge we do live in a sexist society and nobody is immune to their surroundings.
Like even I as someone who reads feminist theory/has experienced sexism will have moments where I instinctively find certain womanly traits annoying and I have to stop myself and question if that annoyance comes from a place of sexism or not (and honestly, sometimes it does). I AM A FEMINIST I STILL THINK I HAVE MY SEXIST MOMENTS. No one is immune from doing sexist things and we have to constantly be open to unlearning/rethinking things. Most instances of sexism are very subtle and unintentional. The important thing is willingness to listen/improve.
Also even if you find it annoying from a completely neutral place, you don't have to point it out. There are a million reasons to dislike the pod, there isn't a need to point out their voices especially if someone is telling you that it contributes to sexist dialogue around women. It's not like pointing out the voice thing is some deep or insightful thing, you're not losing anything by deleting or editing the comment.
so you're a product of your environment. but you can't be misogynist. because...???
your environment wasn't one that would have nurtured that? slipped it into every crack and crevice in midly homoerotic ways you wouldn't find so damn offensive or scary or gross if it didn't al so link them to homophobia and transphobia and entitlement and the whole shit-show of race and the idea that if someone touches ur butt ur less,(and you know queer people are fine and whatever but it still scares you and makes you think you might be less when someone things you might be one, so you gotta clarify) and also why is it HOMOerotic for your god damn environment to be doing this? does that maybe say something about who fucking created the conditions of society at present and the associations in your head about power?
im not trying to prove this to an audience; I don't think anybody's fucking reading this but you and me and the mods who will obviously show up at your house at 2 AM (wait what time zone are you? shit, whatever, next one) and take you off to the fucking gulag. had a nice CHUD-wank to the auto-snuff persecution fantasy yet? want me to add in some more detail? maybe "the grit of their boots as they cross the threshhold to your home grinds against the doorframe in a grim foreshadowing of..."?
okay I fucking hate the idea of mods and cops but if it helps get you off, I will, no shit, buy someone a pair of heavy boots. this is a joke, but im dead serious. give me a shipping address and a shoe size. sober me is gonna be pissed but knows she would have spent it on wire and junk electronic components anyway.
Just stay drunk and come over here and shoot me. Or use those boots to stomp my head in. Idc at this point.
I’ll even load the gun for you and you can make it look like a suicide if you want. That’s the sort of leftist unity we want and need on this side apparently.
I HAVEN"T EVEN BOUGHT THOSE BOOTS YET AND THEY'RE NOT FOR ME DAMMIT! I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA; I DON'T EVEN HAVE A PAIR OF BOOTS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SANDALS ARE GENERALLY MORE PRACTICAL IN THIS WEATHER AND SNEAKERS WILL DO IN ALL OTHER OCCASIONS IM LIKELY TO ENCOUNTER!
as to the other thing:
look, im an anarchist. i was trying for leftist unity here, with boots and gulags and everything. there was all this pageantry and you would've been okay with A FUCKING GUN?
dude. read your responses here, from this whole conversation, back to yourself. look at the way you phrased them. look at the arguments you're making. ask yourself, be honest (you not me, dont even tell me the answer you come to) where and who you think talks like that?
and why?
Look, I’ve already told the mods to ban me and remove my comments. I won’t make another account and I’ll just fuck off like you and everyone else in this thread wants.
the request is to be better. why is THIS THING something you can't examine? something that can't have seeped in and be a product of the bullshit misogyny all around you?
did you feel this strongly yesterday? that's usually a good indicator of whether an emotion has a reactionary component. again; the answer is for you, not for me.
All I was saying that I didn’t think it was necessary to have called out people for being misogynists since they said they don’t like vocal fry. Was never trying to hate on women or get into some philosophical argument about why I am a misogynist secretly and have only ever done no-growths.
maybe, but a lot of your responses here were very reactionary, and your original arguments were inconsistent. bigotry isn't something you get up in the morning to do , and put on your "ima murder some black people" mask and... okay bad example. it's usually not that. like, nobody has wifebeating gloves (except cops), that they change into like some creepy supervillain bullshit
its little things, little jabs that people get from a thousand different directions over and over again. and the request here is to not be one of them. its your reactions that are the most worrying thing here. it's fine though. by my material measurement, this argument has cost you nothing, not even a surrendered bit of ego, and im probably gonna end up spending like a hundred dollars getting some asshole a pair of boots.
Yes and you’re drunk replies weren’t at all reactionary since you have held onto them since before yesterday. I get it too, you’re smarter than me and can find inconsistencies in my arguments. Congratulations. You are correct again and I am wrong once more.
before yesterday? okay i may have crossed midnight with some funny chemistry upstairs, but if theres anything from serious yesterday here it isn't me
my point at least isn't "you're hating on" it was "youre contributing to a structure of devaluation and shittiness that has poisoned your mind, and is using you to propagandize diminish and colonize others"
Oh well it did not come off that way in any single comment until just now. Thanks for that.
nobody here suspected you of having a special pair of wife beating gloves and a special cat calling whistle. that's not how this shit (usually) works. its more like viruses. this is a contact telling you "hey, um, dude? did you send me this email asking if I want to buy viagra from a nigerian prince so he can affort his dick extension?"
You guys have painted a pretty good picture that makes it seem like I hate women.
I don't think that's what it seems like. I've read most of the exchange and I don't think you hate women but you probably are unwilling to do a bit of self examination. As you acknowledge we do live in a sexist society and nobody is immune to their surroundings.
Like even I as someone who reads feminist theory/has experienced sexism will have moments where I instinctively find certain womanly traits annoying and I have to stop myself and question if that annoyance comes from a place of sexism or not (and honestly, sometimes it does). I AM A FEMINIST I STILL THINK I HAVE MY SEXIST MOMENTS. No one is immune from doing sexist things and we have to constantly be open to unlearning/rethinking things. Most instances of sexism are very subtle and unintentional. The important thing is willingness to listen/improve.
Also even if you find it annoying from a completely neutral place, you don't have to point it out. There are a million reasons to dislike the pod, there isn't a need to point out their voices especially if someone is telling you that it contributes to sexist dialogue around women. It's not like pointing out the voice thing is some deep or insightful thing, you're not losing anything by deleting or editing the comment.
thanks; I've always wanted to get into the visual arts. im glad the effort is paying off.
so you're a product of your environment. but you can't be misogynist. because...???
your environment wasn't one that would have nurtured that? slipped it into every crack and crevice in midly homoerotic ways you wouldn't find so damn offensive or scary or gross if it didn't al so link them to homophobia and transphobia and entitlement and the whole shit-show of race and the idea that if someone touches ur butt ur less,(and you know queer people are fine and whatever but it still scares you and makes you think you might be less when someone things you might be one, so you gotta clarify) and also why is it HOMOerotic for your god damn environment to be doing this? does that maybe say something about who fucking created the conditions of society at present and the associations in your head about power?
im not trying to prove this to an audience; I don't think anybody's fucking reading this but you and me and the mods who will obviously show up at your house at 2 AM (wait what time zone are you? shit, whatever, next one) and take you off to the fucking gulag. had a nice CHUD-wank to the auto-snuff persecution fantasy yet? want me to add in some more detail? maybe "the grit of their boots as they cross the threshhold to your home grinds against the doorframe in a grim foreshadowing of..."?
okay I fucking hate the idea of mods and cops but if it helps get you off, I will, no shit, buy someone a pair of heavy boots. this is a joke, but im dead serious. give me a shipping address and a shoe size. sober me is gonna be pissed but knows she would have spent it on wire and junk electronic components anyway.
Just stay drunk and come over here and shoot me. Or use those boots to stomp my head in. Idc at this point.
I’ll even load the gun for you and you can make it look like a suicide if you want. That’s the sort of leftist unity we want and need on this side apparently.
I HAVEN"T EVEN BOUGHT THOSE BOOTS YET AND THEY'RE NOT FOR ME DAMMIT! I LIVE IN CALIFORNIA; I DON'T EVEN HAVE A PAIR OF BOOTS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SANDALS ARE GENERALLY MORE PRACTICAL IN THIS WEATHER AND SNEAKERS WILL DO IN ALL OTHER OCCASIONS IM LIKELY TO ENCOUNTER!
as to the other thing:
look, im an anarchist. i was trying for leftist unity here, with boots and gulags and everything. there was all this pageantry and you would've been okay with A FUCKING GUN?
Shoot coward. You will only kill a man.
FUCK YOU I BUILT THIS GULAG FOR NOTHING!?
seriously there was no scrap lumber, this did not come pre-distressed. this is all work.