Was trying out Victoria 2 after a long time of not touching it, installed HPM and looked up some guides to try to re-learn how ideology worked. Came across a post with this picture and found it unintentionally hilarious.

"Nuuuuu not my bourgeois burgerino democracy! The settler-colonial dream is ruined forever! The huddle masses shall no longer yearn to breathe free!

African-Americans? Native-Americans? Women? Workers? The millions of European refugees come next world war? What are those?"

  • barrbaric [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    At least it's true to Vicky 2's politics being extremely cursed, what with shit like the anarcho-liberals, or referring to socdems as socialists.

    It is extremely cool that the wiki's page of ideologies has a giant fuckin' hammer and sickle at the top though. https://vic2.paradoxwikis.com/Ideology

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I think the SocDem/Socialist thing is to represent genuine socialist parties drifting towards Social Democracy, like the German SPD. Though, if that were the case, why not simply represent different wings as different parties? They already do that in-game for other parties (ie Democrats and Dixiecrats are Conservatives and Reactionaries respectively).

      • barrbaric [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Honestly I think it's more just the team at Paradox not understanding politics. They do the exact same thing in HoI4 where "Socialism" (combining both demsocs and socdems) is a sub-ideology of "Democracy".

        • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Right. Even more compounded by how all communist countries fall into “Totalitarian Regime” status. Thankfully, mods with actual political literate creators exist.

            • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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              4 years ago

              It's a good start but I'd make some changes.

              I'd replace "Democratic" with "Reformist/Moderate" (since it otherwise implies that the democratic process doesn't exist in the other two) and maybe "Authoritarian" with "Vanguard".

              Maybe "Nationalism" could be changed to "Reactionary" since I don't see Monarchists necessarily being Nationalists, while Despotists are unaffiliated altogether. Replace "Capitalism" with "Liberal Democracy" while using KR's labels of "Social Conservative/Liberal". Of course, SocDems should be put here as well.

              Let subideologies fill in the rest.

            • barrbaric [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Having played TNO and KR a bit, I still have absolutely no idea of the differences between the subtypes of democracy, and I feel like Despotism is less an ideology than it is a circumstance brought about by external powers propping up a leader.

              Also, it'd be better not to use political compass terminology, and I would rename "Democratic Socialism" to "Reformist Socialism".

                • barrbaric [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Yeah, but I'd still just call it "Anarchism" or something. I'll admit to not being too well-versed in history, but I'm pretty sure that at the time of WWII that would be the dominant form of libertarian socialism.

              • barrbaric [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Spanish anarcho-syndicalists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederaci%C3%B3n_Nacional_del_Trabajo

    • garbology [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      anarcho-liberals

      When you vaguely know about the Chartists but refuse to look them up before putting them into your xix century game.