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  • _else [she/her,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    its not that ML's historically criticize anarchists, it's that they historically kill anarchists, or tell us we're disorganized children and to shut the fuck up and take charge of everything and let spain fall to fascism when an anarchist structure with soviet support would have done a much better job stopping that.

    kill. like with murder. i feel like that's worse. if you can't find it in the history books, perhaps it's because you weren't looking?

    and no, modern comunists are not the flawed fucked up assholes of old. but if we're talking about history, lets not white-wash anything. everybody sucked. everybody. every. single. fucking. person. if there were good guys, we wouldn't be here. so shut the fuck up and stop pretending your intellectual forebears are "pure" or some shit. work on the ideas. dissect the ideas. find a less awful way forward, and suck less IN THE WAYS YOU THINK MOST EFFECTIVE FOR DOING THAT, and don't pitch your 'enlightenedcentrism' shit to anarchists; we're like the worst people for that.

      • _else [she/her,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        I literally said *there are no good guys in history. if there were; we wouldn't be here."

        and uncritical support of a state going capitalist and turning away from socialism? yeah that's stupid. tankies who do that uncritically are not acting in their right minds. its a serious fucked up problem and I think ML's should fucking do better. we all know how capitalism goes, so why are you people sucking its dick so rabidly?

        its not that a lot of anarchists are parroting americanisms, it's that a lot of americans are juuuuuuuust starting to be babby anarchists and start adopting/appropriating our stuff. its a messy time, and maybe it's what building sympathy looks like.

      • _else [she/her,they/them]
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        4 years ago

        they were more strictly organized, lost the international forces when they decided they needed to fucking hierarchalize everything rather than letting them just operate as their own side thing (they could, at LEAST, have been useful idiots), killed morale, etc. "more organized" is not "better organized". im not saying either tactic would have necessarily won; i don't know enough about the military history of the conflict, and what I know of the political history of it always put it at long odds, but the soviets fucked up big and throw away buckets of assets in a specifically tankie sort of way.

        wait, a big army of assorted leftists FIGHTING FASCISTS IN A PROXY WAR AGAINST HITLER AND MUSSOLINI didn't deserve... well that says a lot of what the soviets (in your mind) actually stand for, doesn't it?

        and yeah, maybe if half your army is anarchists and volunteers who literally came across the ocean to join you, a strict soviet style structure isn't the smartest fucking move

        fucking libs, as long as they're gonna keep fighting, deserve support against fascists.

            • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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              4 years ago

              I think you're exaggerating how close it was to "religion", because if it really was that close the Anarchists would have killed the advisors, castrated them and shoved their genitals in their mouth like they did the clergy of Spain.

      • trans [they/them,she/her]
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        4 years ago

        "oh, youre against systematically massacring anarchists? well what about that one time anarchists tried to kill a ML?"