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...So you pick up a history book to figure out US's angle

From Peter Dale Scotts: American War Machine-Deep Politics, The Cia and the Global Drug Connection, and the Road to Afghanistan

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TL:DR the US turned Burma-Laos and Thailand into a heroin growing triangle (The Golden Triangle) much like they did with the Mafia in Sicily and Marseilles.

The Drug traffickers and drug money became a huge way of CIA to implant bourgeois ideology and suppress communists and the growing popularity of the PRC. They even used ex-Nazis as agents for drug smuggling. It also gave US unfettered access to Myanmars tungsten reserves.

This enitre coalition was directed at China of course.

    • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Yeah I'm aware the guy that writes it is a white Thai nationalist that loves the Thai military

      However I don't care. He exposed that those groups are tied to CIA and that's all I do care about and those groups are listed on NEDs website and I don't care what his motives for doing so were (being a pro Thai rightist or Monarchist or being an anarchist or communist makes little difference)

      So while the US embassy denies NED is funding them....They're on NEDs website

      Here's a second source on it

      https://altthainews.blogspot.com/2020/09/us-embassy-denies-funding-thai-protests.html?m=1

        • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          The source I'm concerned with is the fact NED listed them on their website

          So they're still funded by NED/CIA

          https://www.ned.org/region/asia/thailand-2019/

            • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Yeah I'm an OP for pointing out these orgs are on NEDs website

              Jesus wept stop replying to me.

                • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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                  4 years ago

                  It is worth noting that some Hong Kong rioters, including their leader Joshua Wong, have publicly supported Thai anti-government protests. This reminds people of the group photo featuring Wong and Thanathorn Juangroongruangkit, who served as the leader of the Future Forward Party that was dissolved by Thailand's Constitutional Court in February.

                  The Thai government and mainstream media believe that anti-government forces in the country have colluded with the US and other Western countries to use young people with the ultimate goal to overthrow the current political system in Thailand. Those forces aim to bring in pro-West political proxies to rule the country with Western-styled democracy. It is essentially a "color revolution."

                  This is in line with the US' general practice. The US manipulated color revolutions in the former Soviet Union, the Middle East, and other countries and regions for its political intentions, leaving many countries in a mess, threatening regional and world peace and stability.

                  Global Times: Behind-scenes funding of Thailand protests show invisible Western hands

                  iLaw are on NEDs site

                  And a Human rights lawyers association is on there and given that CIA runs money through shell companies and shell orgs I wouldn't be surprised if it was just looped through a shell org

                  Human Rights Lawyers Association

                  $50,000

                  To strengthen a network of lawyers engaged in the protection of human rights. Focusing particularly on ending the misuse of laws to perpetuate human rights violations and stifle public participation, the organization will coordinate capacity-building opportunities for young human rights lawyers; undertake strategic litigation; and conduct legal advocacy activities.

                  Also your allegation that "Assembly of the poor" aren't on there when there's this on NEDs website. Again CIA runs through shell orgs. They've probably changed their name since.

                  Thai Poor Act

                  $50,000

                  To strengthen grassroots activists’ knowledge and practice of democratic principles. The organization will work with network members to facilitate a process to develop a democratic agenda and proposals on key policy issues, which will serve to catalyze inclusive discussions and encourage active citizenship. Activities will include workshops, community consultations, and public seminars.

                  https://www.ned.org/region/asia/thailand-2019/

                  You've also not dealt with the 2 billionaires tied to WallStreet: Thanathorn and Thaksin

                  Thanathorn has been writing shit like this

                  https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/politics/1550586/thailand-needs-hyperloop-not-china-built-high-speed-rail-thanathorn

                  and Thaksin was a servile puppet of US by taking Thailand into Iraq then setting up blacksite CIA torture prisons in Thailand.

          • astigmatic [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            I don’t have a side on this argument but I do not think a lot of people here realize that NED has money in pretty much everything in the third world, whether they’re direct assets or just vague humanitarianism. I happen to know of a Mexican org that gets legal help to indigenous prisoners who don’t speak Spanish. They get NED funding. It’s not a CIA regime change operation, it has no political pretensions that way. Just like that there’s a billion different things that NED has its hands on. Yes, of course there’s an overall bent towards liberal imperialist bullshit, and it is their job ultimately to secure the US’ sphere of control, but not everything that receives or has received money from NED is owned by the CIA.

            • JoeySteel [comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              They will pay and front orgs that are "good" and "doing good".

              But their main purpose is to cultivate assets - to find leaders and people with charisma using these orgs to then use them for US foreign policy ends (either knowingly or unknowingly)

              In Mexico you should be paying attention to these bastards as the fact Mexico is flooded with drugs and has seen more death in Mexico than Afghanistan in the recent past is directly tied to US foreign policy destabilising Mexico by weaponising drugs using the CIA and organised crime (Chapter 2 of the book this post is off)

                • CarlTheRedditor [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  It's almost like you explicitly made that clear in your post and yet this person ignored that for some reason.

                  • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    They get NED funding. It’s not a CIA regime change operation, it has no political pretensions that way ... not everything that receives or has received money from NED is owned by the CIA.

                    It sounds like their response was geared towards these comments.

                    The NED doing missionary work for the CIA does not preclude it from being owned by the CIA, nor does it make that missionary work indifferent to the CIA's objectives.

    • Sealand_macronation [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      “blah blah monarchy amazing.” Are we really citing right wing blogs now?

      read Marx radlibs

      only gets a minority of its funding by the NED.

      lol

      • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        I need to save this thread.

        A year from now it will be more obvious these protests are a US operation with Thaksin Shinawatra at the helm. Radlibs here will pretend that no Leftists ever supported it.

          • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Yep. Judging by the upvotes, it's clear that ignoring US operations in Thailand is a popular position in this thread.

            Supporters of these protests must seriously grappled with the failures of past color revolutions. I don't trust anyone who refuses to learn lessons from Ukraine, Hong Kong, Libya, Syria, etc.

            The only Thai communist that I've read who has supported these protests is Giles Ji Ungpakorn. He supported all the color revolutions in the 2010's and has familial ties to Thailand's comprador bourgeoisie.

            No communist has provided a method for revolution under the dual pressures of the existing state & the US color revolution complex. I won't hear about them until their revolution succeeds, since they sure as hell won't get tenure from the Rockefeller Foundation.

            • ButtBidet [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              The only Thai communist that I’ve read who has supported these protests is Giles Ji Ungpakorn

              I literally posted multiple times that RT Thailand is an openly communist group. Just because you aren't aware that it exists in the fact of obvious examples.. M

        • ButtBidet [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Congrats for quoting reactionaries in Thailand. Would you like to hear leftist local opinions?

          • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            Sure. I'll see for myself whether it falls into the bin of actual materialist analysis, or "Marxist" myth-making. There were countless "Marxists" who supported regime change in Hong Kong, Ukraine, Syria, and Libya.

            • ButtBidet [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              My friend did a podcast with one of the leaders of the student protests. She's full commie and openly critical of libs and billionaires. I'll DM you and anyone that asks for it. It's my friend's podcast, so I'm hesitant to share to openly.

              The website "Ugly Truth Thailand" has a good material, Marxist summary of Thailand, although the guy's a Trot. The same guy wrote "A Coup for the Rich", which has a good Marxist summary of recent Thai political history.

              • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                4 years ago

                Giles Ji Ungpakorn is the one who runs "Ugly Truth Thailand", right?

                I'm reading through his history. He has had a horrible track record with identifying US State Department operations in US-enemy states.

                Back in September 2019, he called the events in Hong Kong a "grassroots uprising", [1] despite the fact that any materialist would have highlighted Jimmy Lai's media empire pushing propaganda for the movement, and Joshua Wang meetings with thee US State Department.

                In 2011, he actually compares his opponents in Thailand to the supporters of the Libyan & Syrian governments, which is a telling admission. [2]

                His father, Puey Ungphakorn, was the governor of the Bank of Thailand under Shinawatra. His brother, Jon Ungphakorn, is an NGO executive in Thailand. His mother was an English national, and he received his education at the University of London.

                This family seems tied up in the exact imperialist-Left world that I've been criticizing.

                I'll listen to your friend's podcast. I'm most interested to hear Thai communists discuss the degree to which the US State Department has infiltrated protest movements in Thailand. That is the question that must be reckoned with to avoid repeating the mistakes in Hong Kong, Ukraine, Libya, Syria, etc.

                • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Also I just read your citations, and you're really pushing the literal meaning of his words. Honestly, lighten up with comrades a bit.

                  • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    Imagine what people would say if there was an academic conference on Libya co-sponsored by the Gaddafi regime or a conference on Syria sponsored by Bashar al-Assad!

                    Damn, just imagine if academics attending a conference sponsored Gaddafi or Bash al-Assad! Luckily, he only attends US and UK sponsored conferences.

                    You must understand why it's hard for me to see trust the son of the top banker in Thailand - whose family is tied up in the same NGO networks that conspired to overthrow the governments in Syria, Libya, Ukraine, and Hong Kong - especially when he has never reckoned with the reality of US regime change through color revolution.

                    This is extraordinarily important because this thread is discussing whether the protests in Thailand are a color revolution.

                • ButtBidet [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  You know you can be wrong about a handful of things sometimes, have a capitalist background, and have your analysis be more or less correct. Marx came from a bourgeois background, "Bakunin" said some anti semetic shit back in the day.

                  I'm not asking you to unquestingly absorb everything that Giles says. God knows I disagree with him on stuff. But for a pretty solid Marxist analysis on Thailand which a non Thai can understand easily, I think he's the best. He's fucking eons ahead of LandDestroyer.

                  • DeepPoliSci [none/use name]
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                    4 years ago

                    You know you can be wrong about a handful of things sometimes, have a capitalist background

                    Absolutely.

                    I’m not asking you to unquestingly absorb everything that Giles says

                    I'm sure he has done useful academic work. I do not trust him to identify US-sponsored color revolutions. This thread is determining to what degree the Thai protests are a US-sponsored color revolution.