Looks like we got some #ThoughtsAndPrayers.
If China continues to insist on abandoning proletarian internationalism and trying to be a friend to literally everyone, then they're going to find that they don't have any real allies when the US comes knocking at their door for WWIII.
If China continues to insist on abandoning proletarian internationalism and trying to be a friend to literally everyone
China doesn't want to be friends with everyone, they want to be able to do business with everyone. they do a shit ton of business with
, they're one of China's biggest trade partners in Asia, especially the tech/surveillance sector.Chinese foreign policy has always been dog shit and they don't care about anything outside of their borders, so I guess no one should have expected much more from them. :china-cool:
It's an open secret too that Israel is a conduit for Western technology, especially sensitive technologies, to get to China. It wasn't too long ago (like mid 2000s) that Israel was just openly selling the weapons it gets from the US and Europe to China.
Why does this arrangement exist? I never understood this. Why not just not have a middleman?
Tangentially, it is really disgusting how Israel has become a bleeding edge innovation hub for all the worst kinds of military and cyberwarfare stuff. I guess having Israel be the salesperson for this kind of shit gives US plausible deniability. I hate Israel. Literally destruction and misanthrophy sublimated into the form of an ethnostate.
They can't sell weapons to China while pretending to think China is preparing for war against them and falsely accusing them of genocide.
They also can't stop supplying weapons to Israel while it's an important colonial outpost and they insist it's a shining democracy that must be protected.
Israel knows this and gets to play both sides a bit, which China uses to get access to western weapons. It's cynical geopolitics.
China's foreign policy is entirely centered around their sphere of influence. Their neighbours in Southeast Asia are far more their concern than what happens in the Middle East. They lack the influence and the resources to do anything significant in the Middle East and they know it.
China isn't the Soviet Union. It doesn't have the military muscle to project power beyond the countries that border it. This is the difference between the two. The Soviet Union was a superpower because of its military while China is a superpower because of its economy. China can't do anything immediate to stop Israel's genocide. Military-wise, they not only lack the raw power but also have to reserve most of their military in case they have to forcefully seek reunification with Taiwan. Even something extremely drastic like a complete sanction and severing of relations between China and Israel won't materially stop the genocide for the simple reason that the rabid dog Netanyahu and the rest of the Zionists will not be stopped by anything except for brutal force, something that China lacks.
They lack the influence and the resources to do anything significant in the Middle East and they know it.
They got the Saudis and Iranians to mend their fence, which is pretty huge. Reading between the lines, China probably offered guarantees to both Saudi and Iran off the table so it's not impossible that China is choosing to act through them as proxies.
Still, a weak statement from the Foreign Ministry. Wonder if they'll toughen their stance if Israel continues to commit attrocities and the Arab and Muslim world asks China to choose sides.
He pushed for Israel to be established and supported early Israel very directly
this is kinda idealistic, china doesnt actually have a way to push their forces into here. almost all of china's military-based international efforts are via the UN. they largely keep to themselves, not only because of geography but because they are still neocolonized in areas like taiwan. if they lose their position, people have physical state entities to swap allegiance to. the statement could be better, but they still dont want to throw their emerging position away.
if you saw this sort of shit happening in SE Asia or Korea they would be involved from the outset. russia has more capability of doing things here even though theyre in a war. plus we also must remember that the soviet union tried military and arms intervention in this conflict before, but this was obviously unsuccessful despite their better geopolitical and geographic positioning.
Absolute weak ass shit, so this is what they invited Borrell for? So some EU dipshit can double talk about diplomacy and two state solution meanwhile back at home the entire western media hails Hitler while Israel does its thing?
When will you realize there wont be a two state solution if there are no more Palestinians left you absolute moron Wang Yi?
China is dropping the ball so hard right, seems they were absolutely stunned that a crisis would escalate so quickly and they would be required to change tone literally overnight. I could excuse the absolutely hilarious Xi meeting with the senators as an unfortunate timing, but this is absolutely on them, they had the time already to realize whats going on.
I had no expectations and was still disappointed.
The truth is that there is nothing substantive that China could do and in fact, the small amount China could do would actually make the situation worse.
Currently, the only thing holding back the West from being completely rabid mask off in their support for Israel (like the EU reversing the aid ban) is because it would completely alienate the Arab world, which they started to care about once again due to their fear that the people they've bombed for three decades would now side with China. This conflict being currently seen as an Israel vs. Arab/Muslim world confrontation is the only thing restraining the West and preventing their anti-Palestinian propaganda from really reaching the Global South.
If China fully sides with Palestine, they'd be able to claim the Palestinians are just Chinese puppets (they recently tried this already by claiming Palestine is just an Iranian lackey) and that'll allow them to push propaganda that this (and all the atrocities they're abetting) isn't an anti-Muslim thing, this is just another part of confronting China (they might even claim "saving the real Palestine from the Chinese influence controlling it").
Another thing is that adding China into the mix and letting the West reframe this with their old Cold War rhetoric would eliminate the substantive progress Gaza's sacrifice has bought on the world stage. One important thing that hasn't been recognized is that the material outcome of Gaza's uprising is that it has been a massive blow against Saudi normalization efforts with Israel. The enemy of the Palestinian cause isn't just the West and Israel, but also the sellout Muslim states like Saudi Arabia, who has basically outright revealed in the past month that they'd happily abandon Palestine if it meant the US would reward them with an expanded military pact and nuclear energy development.
MBS doesn't give a fig about Palestinian suffering and he actually threw Palestine under the bus right before the uprising. Just this month, there was a rumor in the Western press that the Saudis wanted to pause the normalization talks due to Israel's refusal to give concessions for Palestine and MBS was so desperate for normalization that he literally personally went on an US interview to deny the rumor. However, his dilemma is that he has to pretend to care about Palestine because the Saudi reputation as the "Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques" and the "leader" of the Islamic world is contingent on appearing to defend Palestine. Part of the consequence for this uprising is ruining the Saudi attempt at treachery. If the Saudis managed to normalize with Israel, the Palestinian movement is effectively over, because a domino effect would take place. Undoubtedly, the other Gulf monarchies like Qatar, Oman and Kuwait are waiting in the wings for the Saudis to act as the windbreaker to justify their own normalization with Israel. Gaza's uprising brought all of that to a halt and here as well, if China intervened, US propaganda that Palestine was just acting on Chinese orders would give MBS plausible deniability to resume his normalization goals.
it's genocide... if the realpolitik is to serve any purpose, at some point you have to cash in your chips to prevent catastrophe. otherwise, it's just posturing. their blood is on all of our hands.
Absolutely, but it's difficult to translate that into anything actionable that sympathetic countries like China on the other end of Asia, or even nearby Iran, can enact in practice. Global South countries simply don't have the capacity or logistical infrastructure for intervention that the enablers of Western imperialism like the US with its military bases occupying every region of the globe and eleven aircraft carriers has.
China, embargo Israel, least you could do
an aid package for palestine as well
Geez at least send a PLAN hospital ship to Gaza and make the Israelis try to turn it back.
The truce they brokered over Yemen between the Saudis and Iran was surprising, as well as being one of the highest points in China's usually dogshit foreign policy record ever. Given that, my hope that they might achieve anything whatsoever positive is tremendously higher than it might have been otherwise.
It's hardly cause to be too optimistic though, jumping from expecting a 0.1% chance that their pressure pauses the genocide a little sooner than otherwise to a 10% chance doesn't mean there isn't a genocide taking place
'Uh TOO soon...'