• read_freire [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    Nah that was his sister.

    He was either misogynistic/anti-semitic or an edgelord doing bad irony (in the aughts 4chan kinda way), it's unclear.

    Then he got syphilis and went insane and his sister took all his unfinished posts and edited them into will to power which was the actual protofash shit. Gamergate era 4chan, continuing the analogy.

    • Audeamus [any]
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      4 years ago

      Nietzsche was explicitly anti-anti-Semitic, anti-nationalist. His sister was anti-Semitic, so she edited his work after his death to get her views out. This has tarnished his reputation since.

      He also probably never had syphilis - it's just one explanation for why he went mad later in life because syphilis was a common thing at the time, but there's no evidence for it. (The same is said of Lenin and Hitler, with even less ground.)

      Nietzsche's other views could be described as quasi/proto-fascist, but only in extremely general terms - he was anti-Christian, anti-democratic, praising the strong and condemning the weak for being weak. But he also said a lot of stuff ironically and was critical of everything and everyone. He didn't have a political philosophy as such - he wasn't endorsing a political program, just shitposting about the world.

      Smart and insightful dude, not someone you can pigeonhole, but also an asshole who didn't believe in any bright future for most people.

    • fed [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B8J7JCkzd0

      Idk he seems pretty fascist to me

      • read_freire [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Lol nietzsche isn't theory but this would be like linking to a 15 minute youtube about how bill murray's character in groundhog day is a marxist cause he hates women so much and saying something about marx being a protosexist.

        IDGAF about the departed and whether jack nicholsons character is an ubermensch or something

        Does anyone on here actually read shit

        Nietzsche equally inspired Hitler and Sartre, but the former only happened with careful posthumous editing of unpublished writing by his actually protofash sister.

            • fed [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Why would I read someone who inspired Nazis, neo Nazis love, and believes in cultural supremacy?

              I’d rather read something productive

              • Pezevenk [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                I dunno, ask, like, the myriads of leftist theoreticians who have done so and have found certain things of value in Nietzsche. Not saying you should read him, but as someone else said, if you haven't read something and know next to nothing about it, you shouldn't just go off based on a random YouTube video, especially when that something is an extremely influential philosopher who has also influenced in various ways a large number of leftist theorists. Nietzsche isn't just some random fash and it's very oversimplified to say he influenced Nazis (and also really not his fault). Condensing the entirety of someone's massive and influential work into a 15 minute video that isn't even about his philosophy per se isn't great.

              • Orannis62 [ze/hir]
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                4 years ago

                He "inspired" Nazis because Nazis twisted his work to suit their ends

              • disco [any]
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                4 years ago

                I mean, we're fighting fascism right, why shouldn't we try to understand its philosophy?

                It's easier to fight an enemy when you know how they think.

                edit: and to be clear, I don't actually think Nietzsche was a fascist himself, although ultimately I don't think his philosophy is particularly valuable.

        • JuneFall [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          Nietzsche is bad, cause he was dunked on by people I like, both dead as well as living.

      • dpg [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Rick Roderick is a much better overview of Nietzsche http://rickroderick.org/200-guide-nietzsche-and-the-postmodern-condition-1991/

          • dpg [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            hm it's working for me, googling "rick roderick nietzsche postmodernism" should get you there though.

            The Partially Examined Life used to have it up on their YouTube channel but I can't find it now.

            • Hewaoijsdb [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              Googling that does show the link you referenced, but it says Site Not Found for me. But I can find the page on internet archive so its all good.

              • dpg [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                that is weird as hell. must be on the server's end.