Science is incapable of ever being truthful because every scientist is an amoral wannabee friend of Jeffrey Epstein. These nerds literally take lessons in school to learn how to beg for patronage to do research. Of course their studies usually end up being about managerial bourgeois praxis like using skull shape measurements to categorize workers. That's what personality psychology is about at the end of the day, Brave New World style eugenics with humane empathy for wage slaves.
I find this impulse to redeem astrology in the left fucking weird. If we don’t want to be associated with Reddit STEM bros who hate it we should just be silent on the issue. But just because something is popular with LGBT people doesn’t mean it’s not a load of nonsense that’s obnoxious to bring up in literally every damn conversation fucking ever, like seriously why does EVERY GODDAMN convo with a new person I meet have to open with what my birthday is so they can chart out my fucking personality for me!
Sorry, I live near an art school.
I feel like there's a broader impulse on the left to dunk on Facts and Logic / Rationality™ stuff. And that's good, but specifically it's good because the Ben Shapiro / New Atheist versions of those things are bad facsimiles of empiricism and rationalism, not because empiricism and rationalism are actually bad. It would be a pretty huge self-own for the left to divorce itself from science. Real Lysenko hours.
Yes. Ceding science to the right is a huge mistake and a betrayal of Marxism.
Communism has always embraced science, and I remember the CPP on either RevLeft or Prolespod talking about wanting to create a more scientific and less superstitious society as one of their central goals.
rationalism is dumb. it has no value to me, a stupid fuck.
It's literally harmless. Perhaps you should stop talking to art students.
I’m gonna disagree with the “it’s totally harmless” line. It is for like 90% of people into it, but I’ve also seen the other 10%. It can be a gateway into other pseudoscientific thinking, I’ve seen a lot of astrology people get into anti-vax shit. And on a more interpersonal level some start taking it so seriously it starts affecting their relationships, like they can mediate any conflict with a family member or friend without a discussion of their astrological sign to the point their loved ones get fed up talking to them about it. I’ve seen breakups happen over this.
And beyond that, as I mentioned above, I think it’s obnoxious and rude to demand everyone you know have a discourse with you about something they believe in but other dont. We wouldn’t hesitate to call this out if it were Christians injecting Jesus into every convo or STEM bros demanding to know everyone’s Briggs-Myers or IQ, but for whatever reason people demanding they know your sign before they talk to you gets a pass.
Yeah, the woo woo astrology/anti-vaxx to Q Anon pipeline is a real thing. Q Anon Anonymous has done a few episodes on it.
Literally who though, this is some real fucking everyone clapped shit but no one is questioning it since obviously those people are all crazy or whatever.
Hun?
I mean yeah my evidence is all anecdotal but I promise you I ain’t lying. Maybe I’m just in an area with a bizarrely high amount of people who take astrology ridiculously too far, but if you go on astrology YouTube and Twitter you’ll probably find some figures to back up what I’m saying. They probably won’t be the most popular ones but they’re out there.
wait so you're appealing to imaginary evidence, come on. if you're going to talk about figures you should provide them.
edit: for future reference I assumed he meant figures as in statistics and this argument would have been a fifth as long if I hadn't misread his comment
I really don’t know if any organizations that gathers hard statistics on things like “how many astrology nerds are weirdos who take it too far and are obnoxious about it.”
We’re putting anecdote against anecdote here. The “it’s totally harmless” camp doesn’t really have any hard data to back up their assertions, it’s all just anecdote for them to. I don’t know why the counter claim needs a doctoral thesis to back it up.
If you're going to claim there's evidence and then run that back I reserve the right to assume you're not arguing jn good faith lol
a classmate slapped me once for "being a leo" and I'm not even a leo
that's been my only experience with people into astrology
A tinder date once made a massive scene in a cafe because, as a joke, I decided to tell her I was a different sign than I was. When I told her the truth she quite literally lost it.
Goodness. I hope she's calmed down. I have heard a lot of anecdotal stuff like this from associates and coworkers about astrology, but I've never encountered people who were deep into it except one very strange classmate. My one coworker says her sister always asks people what their sign is before deciding if they should even talk to them, like a weird manufactured elitism over birthdays.
I can't really despise astrology too much though, even as this personality tier list thing it seems to be sometimes, because in my hometown the personality ranking systems are just racism and classism.
I can vaguely understand the astrology interest among women and LGBTQ+ folk, some kind of alternative structure for understanding yourself and others, unless I'm also misunderstanding that. I'm a complete idiot and have had such little exposure to this stuff. Everyone around where I live believes astrology is devil worship and child sacrifice.
don’t want to be associated with Reddit STEM bros
Accepting that this is a way more fun way to be than just trying to be right all the time is the first step to being cool
the scientists who researched evolution and global warming were wrong because capitalism forced them to ask for money and that's actually what they were in it for
The scientists who researched evolution, you mean like the 19th century European guys? Cause they were mostly wrong and it was very damaging
So evolutionary biology didn't provide the philosophical pretext for European exploitation of Africa by justifying the classification of black people as genetically inferior? Oh sorry coulda sworn that it did, nvm me
You're right because European exploitation of Africa definitely didn't begin centuries before Darwin. Are you intentionally being obtuse?
Early evolutionary biologists held heinous views with regard to human evolution, no one disputes this. But frankly, white supremist views weren't unique to scientists in the 19th century. I'm not even really sure what your point is? Early biologists projected their racism onto human evolution, sure, but this in no way invalidates the entire field. They definitely weren't "mostly wrong" because as far as I know evolution is still our best way understanding speciation.
Are you intentionally being obtuse?
Yes.
You're right though, white supremacy had to already exist in order for evolutionary biology to work towards fabricating a scientific basis for it, which it did. And imperialism had to already exist in order for that fabrication to then justify New Imperialism, otherwise it wouldn't have been 'New'. Darwin had already been dead two years when the Berlin Conference rolled around.
The 'mostly wrong' this is mostly a semantic trick though, you got me there. That is more due to refinement than anything, any field 100 years on is going to be able to contradict most of the assertions of its forebearers
Edit: didn't realize this was in the science comm, probably wouldn't have posted like this if I had, but ah well it is what it is
Yeah around 25% of the people here are minors apparently
Doing research to better understand mental health :geordi-no:
Believing in fucking idealistic pseudoscience :geordi-yes:
sorry I'm a caprisun and we don't believe in astrology
edit: I also wonder what OP's opinion on the COVID vaccine is
You say “every scientist is an amoral wannabee friend of Jeffrey Epstein”, but this is simply not true. In fact, a lot of science stands to challenge capitol directly by pointing out the flaws in our current system of unabated growth, for example climate scientists showing directly how carbon emissions impact the environment, or sociologists exposing the negative impacts that ruthless capitalistic processes have on communities. Science is, in fact, one of the most potent tools we have in challenging the current structures that are making life worse for so many people. In fact, if you get to know more people who choose to devote their lives to science, you may find that they align with your views more closely than you may think - after all, we’re talking about a group of intelligent people who, (for the most part) rather than using their time and energy to pursue business or finance, chose instead to make less money by studying the world we’re all a part of.
Edited to be more accurate:
"Science is incapable of ever being truthful under capitalism because every scientist
is an amoral wannabee friend of Jeffrey Epstein. These nerdsliterally has to take lessons in school to learn how to beg for patronage to do research."Are we taking a guy with the username time cube evangelist seriously, come on guys lmfao
