Psychiatry, too, has a history one might call...ableist.
I mean, what else would you call incarcerating people? Justified?
For example: I grew up with symptoms of issues with eating since a very young age. Every time, whether I saw a primary care provider, or the psychologists and psychiatrists they referred me to, they always decided that it was because my mother decided to get divorced around that time, and that I was anorexic, depressed, crazy, etc. Eventually they gave up, and I stopped going to therapy after a few years. I was very young during this time, and had no agency within the process.
15 years later, I almost died. Most pain I've ever woken up my life. They took me into surgery, with no idea what was wrong with me exactly, probably appendicitis but who knows was their guess.
When I came out, I was told the surgeon had discovered I was born with a condition that resulted in me, as per the typical etiology, develop eating impairment around the time I was about 2 years old. Exactly when I had started exhibiting symptoms. So... it was the result of a non-psychological condition, in terms of the disease etiology. It should have been diganosed by a GI specialist long ago, according to the doctors I consulted afterwards, and most people who have it are diagnosed at a young age. I, somehow, survived for a decade and a half without dying of starvation or being institutionalized. I should have died, because they left me for dead, due to the systemic problems in the psychological sciences and medicinal fields associated.
They said I was insane. And yet, they missed the obvious and direct cause of my issues, because they had placed me and my single mother in their gendered psychiatric boxes and refused to provide any other form of care.
The statute of limitations had passed long ago, so I was unable to sue the doctors, or get any form of accountability from them, despite my investigation of and effort toward the matter.
Your personal experiences aren't the unitary basis of reality. It offends you when people criticize a system of power imbalance? Sorry, but that doesn't mean people will stop discussing it. The rest of us have valid lived experiences as well, and opinions which are well-founded as yours.
How TF did I speak on your condition? I said we had, both, valid experiences. My implied point was that you should not wokescold people for being critical of psychiatry as an institution.
as someone who also suffers from mental illness, I think psychiatry deserves way more criticism than this post which is not even talking about psychiatry as a whole but just the conditions caused directly by capitalism.
They called themselves communists but their claims had no legitimacy. Scientology is very similar. It's anti-psychiatry, but offers no valid solutions, and their criticisms are suspect. There are many legitimate psychologists, psychiatrists, and philosophers associated with anti-psychiatry. Equating anti-psychiatry solely with the views of L Ron Hubbard and Scientology is precisely what they would want, and is just overly reductive and incorrect. Just read the Wikipedia page on it to get a better picture of the scope.
Totally valid and I see what you mean. Antipsychiatry is the broad term often used to describe a lot of people critical of psychiatry, like on Wikipedia - despite many categorized under this term reject the label or never thought of themselves with that label. Everyone from L Ron Hubbard, Micheal Foucault, Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari. I'm the one really nitpicking here because I really like Deleuze and Guattari and I wouldn't want people to get the idea that they're ableist because they're associated with the definitely ableist Scientologists on Wikipedia or the folks you mention suggesting diet and meditation to cure mood disorders. Apologies for grinding this axe with your comment haha. My issue is more with the word antipsychiatry and how others define who's a part of it than anything you've actually said. It is very unfortunate imo that Scientologists are in the same category as D&G, who don't at all claim that psychiatry in general does more harm than good (they would claim that Freudian psychoanalysis and some old institutional psychiatric treatments do however). I bring these guys up because their writings have helped me conceptualize and understand what happened to me during and after a drug induced psychosis, and ultimately get past it. Something that the psychiatrist I seen did absolutely nothing to help with besides prescribe anti-psychotics - great for physical brain disorders like schizophrenia, not so much for complex psychological problems that are not the result of a brain disorder.
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Psychiatry, too, has a history one might call...ableist.
I mean, what else would you call incarcerating people? Justified?
For example: I grew up with symptoms of issues with eating since a very young age. Every time, whether I saw a primary care provider, or the psychologists and psychiatrists they referred me to, they always decided that it was because my mother decided to get divorced around that time, and that I was anorexic, depressed, crazy, etc. Eventually they gave up, and I stopped going to therapy after a few years. I was very young during this time, and had no agency within the process.
15 years later, I almost died. Most pain I've ever woken up my life. They took me into surgery, with no idea what was wrong with me exactly, probably appendicitis but who knows was their guess.
When I came out, I was told the surgeon had discovered I was born with a condition that resulted in me, as per the typical etiology, develop eating impairment around the time I was about 2 years old. Exactly when I had started exhibiting symptoms. So... it was the result of a non-psychological condition, in terms of the disease etiology. It should have been diganosed by a GI specialist long ago, according to the doctors I consulted afterwards, and most people who have it are diagnosed at a young age. I, somehow, survived for a decade and a half without dying of starvation or being institutionalized. I should have died, because they left me for dead, due to the systemic problems in the psychological sciences and medicinal fields associated.
They said I was insane. And yet, they missed the obvious and direct cause of my issues, because they had placed me and my single mother in their gendered psychiatric boxes and refused to provide any other form of care.
The statute of limitations had passed long ago, so I was unable to sue the doctors, or get any form of accountability from them, despite my investigation of and effort toward the matter.
Your personal experiences aren't the unitary basis of reality. It offends you when people criticize a system of power imbalance? Sorry, but that doesn't mean people will stop discussing it. The rest of us have valid lived experiences as well, and opinions which are well-founded as yours.
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How TF did I speak on your condition? I said we had, both, valid experiences. My implied point was that you should not wokescold people for being critical of psychiatry as an institution.
I agree, let's leave the discussion here.
very much so this, while capitalism makes ADHD hell, I wouldn't not have it if we weren't capitalist
as someone who also suffers from mental illness, I think psychiatry deserves way more criticism than this post which is not even talking about psychiatry as a whole but just the conditions caused directly by capitalism.
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yeah, but there's more to anti-psychiatry than Scientology. It's like saying all Communists are like the Khmer-Rouge.
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They called themselves communists but their claims had no legitimacy. Scientology is very similar. It's anti-psychiatry, but offers no valid solutions, and their criticisms are suspect. There are many legitimate psychologists, psychiatrists, and philosophers associated with anti-psychiatry. Equating anti-psychiatry solely with the views of L Ron Hubbard and Scientology is precisely what they would want, and is just overly reductive and incorrect. Just read the Wikipedia page on it to get a better picture of the scope.
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Totally valid and I see what you mean. Antipsychiatry is the broad term often used to describe a lot of people critical of psychiatry, like on Wikipedia - despite many categorized under this term reject the label or never thought of themselves with that label. Everyone from L Ron Hubbard, Micheal Foucault, Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari. I'm the one really nitpicking here because I really like Deleuze and Guattari and I wouldn't want people to get the idea that they're ableist because they're associated with the definitely ableist Scientologists on Wikipedia or the folks you mention suggesting diet and meditation to cure mood disorders. Apologies for grinding this axe with your comment haha. My issue is more with the word antipsychiatry and how others define who's a part of it than anything you've actually said. It is very unfortunate imo that Scientologists are in the same category as D&G, who don't at all claim that psychiatry in general does more harm than good (they would claim that Freudian psychoanalysis and some old institutional psychiatric treatments do however). I bring these guys up because their writings have helped me conceptualize and understand what happened to me during and after a drug induced psychosis, and ultimately get past it. Something that the psychiatrist I seen did absolutely nothing to help with besides prescribe anti-psychotics - great for physical brain disorders like schizophrenia, not so much for complex psychological problems that are not the result of a brain disorder.
It's like that clown on twitter who was talking about how mental illness wouldn't exist under communism