So pile it up in one place that doesn't have a water table beneath it and leave it alone. Build a wall around it and make Exxon pay for it. It's easily solvable. It's not like it grows legs and spreads all across the world like the radioactive waste fossil fuel power is constantly doing every single day all across the world. The problem of "destroying one tiny part of the ecosystem" is much more solvable than the problem of "we're destroying literally the entire ecosystem". Break it into smaller chunks and solve those. Nuclear takes many of these big problems and breaks them down into one much smaller one. Your other options are "do nothing" or "become a luddite". We're going to use power, so it's time we minimize the impact of that as absolutely much as possible, as fast as possible. Nuclear is that ticket.
t’s not like it grows legs and spreads all across the world
Its literally 100% pure unadultered radiation! That's what radiation does to shit, it makes it mutate. Who's to say that in 24,000 years it won't mutate a box enough to have it growing working appendages
I guarantee you it has failed because there is absolutely no profit incentive in creating and building proper storage. Proper storage technology is absolutely solvable but since there's no profit in it, it hasn't been done yet. Again we're just taking existing systemic problems and ascribing them to nuclear like it's some sort of special thing. It's not. Any problem with nuclear is systemic to power generation period.
I actually have read some interesting articles about that. I think the most compelling one was to essentially use folklore to do it. By creating some story about the "magic death mountain" or something. Folks would learn a passed down story about the magic death mountain, and evidence of people visiting said death mountain and dying would reinforce the story to the point that future societies actually believe the story and just stay away from it altogether. The paper was around how to pre-seed said folklore so it doesn't take a future disaster for a post-cataclysm society to create it themselves. Put in the right spot, away from things like giant freshwater lakes or massive underground aquifers, this issue wouldn't be one that kills huge portions of humanity. It would be like a minefield...it sometimes kills people but mostly they stay away from it. This is not ideal, but compared to the scope of the problem that nuclear sets out to solve, it's manageable. The cool thing is that folks do recognize this and are trying to solve it, which tells me that if we funded the research it's solvable too.
That particular problem is only actually a problem if you assume two other giant points though. First being that humanity has some cataclysmic problem by which we lose all of our historical and cultural memory, and the other being that said cataclysmic problem doesn't just end humanity outright. Again, global warming being the absolute most pressing of those...if we continue as we are without any course correction, there won't be any humans left for us to worry about them finding a pile of waste 5000 years in the future.
Consider this the Official Request To Disengage. Feel free to respond to me if I respond to you, but I'd rather have civilized conversations with folks, and you ain't it
IIRC, Soviet storage technology was based around vitrification, turning shit into glass to prevent leaking. Of course, before they managed to do it reliably, there were some fuckups.
there is absolutely no profit incentive in creating and building proper storage. Proper storage technology is absolutely solvable but since there’s no profit in it, it hasn’t been done yet. Again we’re just taking existing systemic problems and ascribing them to nuclear like it’s some sort of special thing.
But it is ESPECIALLY prescient of the issues with nuclear more than any other green energy source. Which is why it is a choice to be avoided.
it would be so easy to remove toxic waste from an entire region after it got into the water system. Just use the de-nuclearizer or whatever 4head
It's amazing how fast people here turn into the same kind of morons that kiss Elon Musk's ass when it comes to nuclear power. "Stop bringing up the problems that are inconvenient to my fanboying of this technology!"
Know what's super easy? Removing greenhouse gasses that are quite literally destroying the entire planet today. That's really easy. Know what else is easy? Fixing the massive amounts of toxic waste that are destroying entire countries who are mining lithium and producing batteries. I also find that reversing an earthquake caused by hydroelectric is extraordinarily easy. It's way easier to clean an entire planet than it is to just cordon off one small piece of it and put all of the problem over there. Super smart, why didn't I think of that?
You know, it's almost like I actually already said that literally EVERY SINGLE WAY of generating power causes massive problems. Including nuclear. It's almost like I actually already said that nuclear power takes existing problems, which are happening today, and condenses them into a much smaller problem. Interesting.
You don't know anything about the engineering nightmare of nuclear waste containment. You just hope to kick the can of ecological disaster down the road and hope that technology finally comes to rescue humanity. And yeah buddy, getting CO2 out of the atmosphere, or toxic stuff from mine leakage IS actually easier than decontaminating nuclear waste.
So pile it up in one place that doesn't have a water table beneath it and leave it alone. Build a wall around it and make Exxon pay for it. It's easily solvable. It's not like it grows legs and spreads all across the world like the radioactive waste fossil fuel power is constantly doing every single day all across the world. The problem of "destroying one tiny part of the ecosystem" is much more solvable than the problem of "we're destroying literally the entire ecosystem". Break it into smaller chunks and solve those. Nuclear takes many of these big problems and breaks them down into one much smaller one. Your other options are "do nothing" or "become a luddite". We're going to use power, so it's time we minimize the impact of that as absolutely much as possible, as fast as possible. Nuclear is that ticket.
Its literally 100% pure unadultered radiation! That's what radiation does to shit, it makes it mutate. Who's to say that in 24,000 years it won't mutate a box enough to have it growing working appendages
What kind of box you're using that has a fucking genetic code
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I guarantee you it has failed because there is absolutely no profit incentive in creating and building proper storage. Proper storage technology is absolutely solvable but since there's no profit in it, it hasn't been done yet. Again we're just taking existing systemic problems and ascribing them to nuclear like it's some sort of special thing. It's not. Any problem with nuclear is systemic to power generation period.
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I actually have read some interesting articles about that. I think the most compelling one was to essentially use folklore to do it. By creating some story about the "magic death mountain" or something. Folks would learn a passed down story about the magic death mountain, and evidence of people visiting said death mountain and dying would reinforce the story to the point that future societies actually believe the story and just stay away from it altogether. The paper was around how to pre-seed said folklore so it doesn't take a future disaster for a post-cataclysm society to create it themselves. Put in the right spot, away from things like giant freshwater lakes or massive underground aquifers, this issue wouldn't be one that kills huge portions of humanity. It would be like a minefield...it sometimes kills people but mostly they stay away from it. This is not ideal, but compared to the scope of the problem that nuclear sets out to solve, it's manageable. The cool thing is that folks do recognize this and are trying to solve it, which tells me that if we funded the research it's solvable too.
That particular problem is only actually a problem if you assume two other giant points though. First being that humanity has some cataclysmic problem by which we lose all of our historical and cultural memory, and the other being that said cataclysmic problem doesn't just end humanity outright. Again, global warming being the absolute most pressing of those...if we continue as we are without any course correction, there won't be any humans left for us to worry about them finding a pile of waste 5000 years in the future.
Consider this the Official Request To Disengage. Feel free to respond to me if I respond to you, but I'd rather have civilized conversations with folks, and you ain't it
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IIRC, Soviet storage technology was based around vitrification, turning shit into glass to prevent leaking. Of course, before they managed to do it reliably, there were some fuckups.
But it is ESPECIALLY prescient of the issues with nuclear more than any other green energy source. Which is why it is a choice to be avoided.
lol just bury it 4head
it would be so easy to remove toxic waste from an entire region after it got into the water system. Just use the de-nuclearizer or whatever 4head
It's amazing how fast people here turn into the same kind of morons that kiss Elon Musk's ass when it comes to nuclear power. "Stop bringing up the problems that are inconvenient to my fanboying of this technology!"
Know what's super easy? Removing greenhouse gasses that are quite literally destroying the entire planet today. That's really easy. Know what else is easy? Fixing the massive amounts of toxic waste that are destroying entire countries who are mining lithium and producing batteries. I also find that reversing an earthquake caused by hydroelectric is extraordinarily easy. It's way easier to clean an entire planet than it is to just cordon off one small piece of it and put all of the problem over there. Super smart, why didn't I think of that?
You know, it's almost like I actually already said that literally EVERY SINGLE WAY of generating power causes massive problems. Including nuclear. It's almost like I actually already said that nuclear power takes existing problems, which are happening today, and condenses them into a much smaller problem. Interesting.
You don't know anything about the engineering nightmare of nuclear waste containment. You just hope to kick the can of ecological disaster down the road and hope that technology finally comes to rescue humanity. And yeah buddy, getting CO2 out of the atmosphere, or toxic stuff from mine leakage IS actually easier than decontaminating nuclear waste.
People here have decided nuclear is the best energy source and work back from that conclusion in their arguments. It's inane.
Getting companies to pay for externalities is easy...?