Reminder that Trump was a hard-line interventionist who literally bombed civilians his first day in office and carried out more drone strikes than every president before him put together. The guy hired John Fucking Bolton to run national security. His white house was filled with Bush-era neocon monsters. The fact that he occasionally said "no more war" in a speech doesn't mean fuck all.

Shit on Biden all you want because he's a piece of shit, but don't cape for fascists in the process.

  • asaharyev [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Those people are still here.

    The belief that Trump was overall better than Biden on foreign policy is based in the same media perception of Trump that undergirds writing off his actions as un-American.

    He was not an incompetent buffoon, he continued the same imperial warfare the US has been engaged in for decades. BUT his other shit distracted from that and made him seem less bad comparatively. He is no better (maybe also no worse) than Biden on foreign policy.

    There's been such a broad consensus on imperialism since 9/11 anyway, even Bernie would have been fucking terrible and dropping drones on civilians. Either that or he'd be dead within a year, and his VP would be promoted to drone striker in chief.

    • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Betting on horses when it comes to whether Trump or Biden could vaporize more peasants in the global south is a bad look no matter where you put your chips down. Aside from some token changes in administration, the same scumsucking vampires are running day to day intelligence and sabotage operations in Langley. The same slate of foreign policy think tanks are running policy in Washington. The same multinational corporations are extracting the mineral and human wealth of the colonies. The same generals are commanding the same American teenagers to slaughter whoever threatens the economic stability of our vassals. It doesn't matter if Trump is golfing or Biden is in the middle of having an aneurysm. They are just a marketing campaign for the inviolable reign of finance capital.

    • ferristriangle [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      If we're squinting to look for a silver lining of the Trump administration with respect to imperialism, I would argue that the damage Trump has done to US alliances with much of the West is going to have serious impacts on America's ability to project strength around the world. A major part of the justification for things like the Iraq war was the fact that it was a multilateral joint effort by the US and its allies.

      Now a lot of European leaders are starting to unhitch their wagons from the US. It's not like the US needs that support for their military power, god knows we poor enough money into the military to take on half the world by our self. But that idea of acting on behalf of the "international community" was a powerful narrative that could deflect a lot of criticism and spread blame around. The US is obviously still incredibly dangerous, but now it's more isolated.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      He was not an incompetent buffoon, he continued the same imperial warfare the US has been engaged in for decades.

      So at best Biden is equally bad as Trump.

    • DetroitLolcat [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      The weirdest part of it is that everyone on this forum dunks on "lesser of two evils"-ism when someone brings up voting for Biden but completely deep-throats the boot when someone says Trump was the lesser of two evils.

      • asaharyev [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        Really weird definition of "everyone" you've got there.

          • duck [he/him,they/them]
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            3 years ago

            Thing is often when you think everyone thinks two things that contradict each other it's really two separate groups with a small overlap of hypocrites.

            I agree though it's fucking dumb to say Trump's the lesser evil if there's such a thing