Reminder that Trump was a hard-line interventionist who literally bombed civilians his first day in office and carried out more drone strikes than every president before him put together. The guy hired John Fucking Bolton to run national security. His white house was filled with Bush-era neocon monsters. The fact that he occasionally said "no more war" in a speech doesn't mean fuck all.
Shit on Biden all you want because he's a piece of shit, but don't cape for fascists in the process.
Can we wait to see what Biden actually does? Reminder Biden helped start the war in Yemen and in Syria. Trump was of course awful, but the worry is Biden will start wars in Iran and Venezuela as well as continuing to increase sanctions. Either way we all agree all the imperialists are trash and we hate them.
He helped orchestrate the 2003 one too. Read his fucking 3 state solution lmao
Yeah I’m on team Wait And See.
So far Biden’s made positive moves on Yemen, so that’s nice.
Not holding my breath on Iran or China.
There is what's called an Intelligence Fusion Center in Riyadh staffed by US military officers who relay all the target coordinates for their bombing campaign on yemen.
Here is a news article about it:
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/world/article24782785.html
Hopefully the Houthis drop one on it, maybe Biden will change out some of the personnel
So far he's been "good" on the Middle East.
Delisted the Houthis, which is a major step.
Cutting back support for Saudi Arabia (including intelligence and operational support, even if weapons sales continue)
He did talk to Netanyahu eventually, but the Israelis don't seem happy, which is always a good sign.
Theoretically he'll be returning to the Iran deal sometime.
Baby steps, but honestly it's already more than I expected. We'll see how things develop from here.
Those people are still here.
The belief that Trump was overall better than Biden on foreign policy is based in the same media perception of Trump that undergirds writing off his actions as un-American.
He was not an incompetent buffoon, he continued the same imperial warfare the US has been engaged in for decades. BUT his other shit distracted from that and made him seem less bad comparatively. He is no better (maybe also no worse) than Biden on foreign policy.
There's been such a broad consensus on imperialism since 9/11 anyway, even Bernie would have been fucking terrible and dropping drones on civilians. Either that or he'd be dead within a year, and his VP would be promoted to drone striker in chief.
Betting on horses when it comes to whether Trump or Biden could vaporize more peasants in the global south is a bad look no matter where you put your chips down. Aside from some token changes in administration, the same scumsucking vampires are running day to day intelligence and sabotage operations in Langley. The same slate of foreign policy think tanks are running policy in Washington. The same multinational corporations are extracting the mineral and human wealth of the colonies. The same generals are commanding the same American teenagers to slaughter whoever threatens the economic stability of our vassals. It doesn't matter if Trump is golfing or Biden is in the middle of having an aneurysm. They are just a marketing campaign for the inviolable reign of finance capital.
If we're squinting to look for a silver lining of the Trump administration with respect to imperialism, I would argue that the damage Trump has done to US alliances with much of the West is going to have serious impacts on America's ability to project strength around the world. A major part of the justification for things like the Iraq war was the fact that it was a multilateral joint effort by the US and its allies.
Now a lot of European leaders are starting to unhitch their wagons from the US. It's not like the US needs that support for their military power, god knows we poor enough money into the military to take on half the world by our self. But that idea of acting on behalf of the "international community" was a powerful narrative that could deflect a lot of criticism and spread blame around. The US is obviously still incredibly dangerous, but now it's more isolated.
He was not an incompetent buffoon, he continued the same imperial warfare the US has been engaged in for decades.
So at best Biden is equally bad as Trump.
The weirdest part of it is that everyone on this forum dunks on "lesser of two evils"-ism when someone brings up voting for Biden but completely deep-throats the boot when someone says Trump was the lesser of two evils.
Thing is often when you think everyone thinks two things that contradict each other it's really two separate groups with a small overlap of hypocrites.
I agree though it's fucking dumb to say Trump's the lesser evil if there's such a thing
Trump was better than Biden on foreign policy. Trump only maintained the status quo, Biden, along with Clinton and Obama started several new wars, and every president has used more drones than the previous one. The arab spring in Syria would have been like Bahrain instead of the blood bath created by the most expensive and failed CIA operation in history to fund a terrorist army, just to knockoff an enemy of Israel. Trump put on a show of launching airstrikes against targets in Syria that were warned* ahead of time and reduced troop levels there (US was always going to side with their NATO ally, Kurds should have known better than to betray their country and trust the US) and completely removed troops from Somalia. He even aborted the attack on Iran at the last minute just when the Zionists thought they were getting their war, their balls must have been blue af. He also began negotiating with the taliban and reducing troops there.
Biden will quietly continue the Yemen war and probably partition Syria unless erdo, he's already trying to seize an Iranian shipment of oil to China.
I guess we'll see how many bodies he knocks up at the end of his term and compare them at the end i guess, but i'm not really hopeful
Trump was nastier but he's not the Imperialist that Biden is. Not a lack of will just a lack of experience and competence. Biden probably doesn't botch the Bolivia coup.
and Biden isn't much less nasty.
Good to know that "are you triggered are you triggered are you triggered" passes for humor around here.
Trump is unironically shaping up to be better than Biden on foreign policy lmfao. Keep in mind they aren't good, but Trump literally fumbled basically every regime change attempt America tried the past 4 years. He did increase the number of drone strikes, but I haven't seen Biden say anything negative about it or say anything about decreasing it, so it's pretty safe to say an increase in drone strikes was just an eventual part of hellworld regardless of who was president.
That last part is key. The question is not whether Trump increased drone strikes over the previous administration, but whether that increase was more or less than it would've been under Clinton. It's impossible to determine that conclusively, but I don't think it's unreasonable to believe Clinton would have ramped up drone warfare more than Trump.
If Maduro gets coup-ed I’ll stand here correct that Trump was better on foreign policy solely because he was more incompetent at being an imperialist
How? Biden was literally the LEADING democratic supporter of the Iraq war, everything op said about trump was true but its still irrelevant to the fact that biden is STILL WORSE
Wasn't Trump better with NK? Might be exaggerated what he did for US-NK relations but it didn't get worse at least
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Ironically the last president who tried to meaningfully improve relations with the DPRK was Bill Clinton and it was sabotaged by Newt Gingrich's congress.
Trump instituted huge sanctions on North Korea (to be fair, the Democrats supported them and had Biden been president would have also passed them), and threatened "fire and fury the likes of which the world has ever seen". He flew planes over NK airspace while pretending to oppose military training exercises. While Trump's meetings with Kim were a step in the right direction, the fact is both summits failed.
The most generous interpretation of Trump's NK policy is that he had no idea what he was doing and basically maintained the status quo.
