link: https://teddit.net/r/CommieWatch/comments/9hpwnr/i_think_they_ready_won/

    • buh [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      Who needs to plan when The Invisible Hand will decide for us? ☺️

        • crime [she/her, any]
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          4 years ago

          I always feel like I should call the volcel police whenever I hear about the invisible hand tbh

      • TheBigCat [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        It’s just a secularist word for “God will provide in His mysterious ways.” It’s Calvinist to its core that there is a predetermined fate for all subjects under capitalism and nothing will ever change that. It’s also mixed with a financial Pascal’s Wager that, yes, capitalism might be fake and predicated on human suffering BUT I might get to be the one giving the pain someday so I shouldn’t rock the boat so I might be wealthy. American society is founded in a mire of tax dodging libertarians and neurotic Jesus freaks.

  • OgdenTO [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Yes, oversight and ownership are the same in fact

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Points 8 and 9 sound like deliberate misreadings of the manifesto. The actual text says:

    "8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country."

    • 8 is calling for a regimented, organized worker mass that operates like an army. Marx/Engels might have been calling for worker conscription too, but I don't know enough about the context.
    • 9 is calling for a closer bond between agriculture and industry, since that was a real problem of supply chains in 1848. There were still a whole lot of subsistence farming peasants. The abolition between town and country represents the same problem. Resource distribution was lopsided.

    I think I've read Marx/Engels correctly. Certainly they didn't mean "corporate farms."

  • UncleJoe [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Damn they got that sub back? Oh well it was fun posting commie watches while it lasted lol

  • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The only one of those that's communism is also the only one of those we don't have

    • ferristriangle [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Literally every bullet point comes directly from the Communist Manifesto.

      I guess I have to be the one to tell Karl Marx that he's not a real communist.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        the fun part is that in context it's a list of short term, immediate demands that should be made of European nations in 1848

        right wingers have misread it and characterize the fulfillment of those demands as being full communism (even when their examples aren't truly the demands being fulfilled)

        I've had a lot of fun telling them "No, no, those ten points are Step 1"

        • ferristriangle [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Well, technically step one is that the working class must win the battle of democracy, and elevate themselves to the position of the ruling class.

          We certainly don't have that here in the States.