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  • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Why where the accusations Pinned ? Why was it given such a plattform ? Thats wrong conduct...

    ^ This is the post that should have been pinned , not the accusation post....

    • itsPina [he/him, she/her]M
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      3 years ago

      It took us a long time to wade through the shit. beatnik was 100% alright with it though so don't fear there.

      • ElonMarx [comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        You pinned all the info and albums of his comments doxxing him. Further spreading that information to anyone who visits the site.

        Embarrassing behavior, especially if you think this was the right way to handle it and he is now safer for it.

        • itsPina [he/him, she/her]M
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          3 years ago

          The info was already a click away from any thread and anyone who wanted the info could find it here or on places like cumtown or stupidpol.

          Beat is aware of what was posted and was in constant contact with the team as we decided what next steps to take.

          • ElonMarx [comrade/them]
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            3 years ago

            Nonsense argument. The info was buried and the only people that would have found it would be the ones who cared to put in the effort to troll through pages of Reddit comments and posts.

            Making it centralized and publicized is a bad thing. "The info existed!" is no excuse for further doxxing someone. What choice really does Beatnik have to consent to it or not when the entire admin team is calling him a suspected rapist.

            Think before you act, this was not a good example. Now every potential wrecker or worse has collected access to all the info needed to find him.

              • ElonMarx [comrade/them]
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                3 years ago

                What choice really does Beatnik have to consent to it or not when the entire admin team is calling him a suspected rapist.

                This is the entire implication of forcing him to give control of the site over, forcing him to step down from every mod position, stickying his accusations, and participating in the threads where people mock him and call him a variety of terms from rapist to groomer.

                For leftists you don't seem to have the concept of coercion, Beatnik was not in a position to ask for the info not to be publicized because it would have been "not cooperating with the investigation" as if you're all cops. It was on you to handle this better and not put him at further risk, as the acting admins of the site. Instead, you stickied all of the identifying information someone might need to target and harm him.

                  • ElonMarx [comrade/them]
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                    3 years ago

                    we would have been completely fine if he wasn’t comfortable with this information being shared.

                    This doesn't mean anything because you made the choice to do it regardless. It should have been obvious that doing so to any user of this site is a horrible example, especially for building faith in a site that prides itself on privacy and protecting its users. Now the precedent is for any wild accusation fabricated by a cumtown poster, that user will have every bit of identifying information collected into an album and put on display pinned on the site.

                    That's not how coercion works, it's implied pressure. He wrote several comments about how he was made to gave up control of the website, TC wrote about how he had been removed from everything.

                    Transparency might be the thing you're going for, but you've endangered the person you're all pretending to support now and are unapologetic and unable to recognize how badly this was handled.

                  • itsPina [he/him, she/her]M
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                    3 years ago

                    Exactly. None of us assumed beatnik was innocent or guilty. We aired on the side of caution and were vocal in our steps with each other the whole way.

    • nala [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      When that's the largest problem with the response, you know it was handled well overall.

    • Saint [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I completely disagree. If anything this exemplified how "believe accuers" is totally compatible with protecting yourself from wreckers.

      • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        A accusation carrying such weight needs to be handled carefully, if it is a accusation with the intent to "wreck" . Then the hole goal of this wreckers is "to achieve" Audience . So it is tacticly muisguided to give him this audience as opening move.. ... And as far as I noticed: didn't Transcomrade69 doxed itself to the accouser with her Reddit and Twitter? handels to get into contact , (last stickied post) ..

        What I want to say is

        • c/Main or stickied is silver

        • c/userunion or "where the mods oligarchy hangs out in secret " is Golden

        But Overall handled well !