Liberal idpol only serves the interests of the bourgeois members of the oppressive communities it professes to “help”.

You cannot be “for the gays” if you make the lives of the homeless worse. LGBTQ are significantly over-represented when it comes to experiencing homelessness and facing other associated dangers like sexual abuse, drug abuse etc.

This is a trend present in all aspects of society - social oppression of all kinds (sexual, gender, racial, religious) is worse for the economically downtrodden (which are the vast majority) and this obfuscation of the class dynamic only helps the already most well-off in those communities.

Class reductionism definitely exists and it’s wrong - social problems won’t disappear even if economic inequality does. But ending the class struggle will help 90% of the socially oppressed unlike liberal idpol which only helps the affluent (in any material way).

PS - As I was writing this, I had a realisation of what this looks like in practice. China is a socially conservative country - the media is more heteronormative, patriarchal etc. than the American one (which itself wasn’t anything great a decade ago). But over the past 20ish years, the real wages of people in China has gone up 4-5 times. I’m willing to bet that this has improved the lives of all kinds of minorities in China far more than American idpol has.

    • ButtBidet [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Feminism and Marxism are not either/or propositions. Also the Spartacus League is eww. They're the only group in ok with being negative and sectarian about, cuz they suck.

      Edit: the American, not German Spartacus League, if anyone gets specific.

      • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Full disclaimer: I have no idea what these groups are but the article isnt awful and is referencing liberal feminism, not proletarian feminism.

        • ButtBidet [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          I'm not shitting on you, but rather the author and the group.

          She literally just attacks "feminism". Not liberal feminism or bourgeois feminism, just feminism.

          We can be as tankie and anti-idpol as we like, and still see feminism as basically a good thing. Obviously capitalist feminism is very limited and needs to accept class as an important point of subjugation for women (and all people).

          • TimeCubeEvangelist [none/use name]
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            4 years ago

            still see feminism as basically a good thing

            It is impossible to be a "comrade" without being a feminist, these degenerate redditors like Dead Pundits Society are not actually communists they're just weird nerds

            • ButtBidet [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              I'm not going to lie. Liberal feminism has been a bit shit to me at times. It would be super satisfying to go all "fuck feminism", but obviously we tankies need to fight against that unproductive and selfish feeling.

    • LibsEatPoop2 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Yep, you cannot be intersectional if you don't consider class the primary (not only) axis of oppression. Otherwise you only help the bourgeois materially, while condemning everyone else to find solace in 'symbols'.

      • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Liberal idpol isnt completely useless though, it does give representation.

        Which to me when I was young and confused would've been real nice to see a television show where LGBT were given a realistic portrayal instead of....whatever the fuck 90s television and movies were.