Canada's Parliament just voted to declare it a genocide. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/uighur-genocide-motion-vote-1.5922711 And I've been seeing a lot of conflicting takes on it on twitter and here. From what I can gather from researching the main issue is lack of indication of full on genocide there, but there also seems to be a fair amount of evidence that these camps do exist. I fail to see how that is "good" as people on this site appear to be indicating?

  • Doc14 [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Western perspectives: https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/data/?tab=data&mosque=none&cultural=none https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/02/11/china-uighurs-genocide-xinjiang/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmId2ZP3h0c&t=327s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEkliuqQo-g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMkHcZ5IwjU

    Chinese: https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang .. and that's it, this is the best pro-China take on xinjiang I've found, I hope other users have other sources.

    In my opinion it all is looking extremely bad, the satellite images seem pretty damning since there is simply so many camps being built. The Qiao collective's counterpoints mostly are about terrorism in the Uyghur minority and personal accounts but doesn't really adress all the construction going on.

    • queenjamie [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      In my opinion it all is looking extremely bad, the satellite images seem pretty damning since there is simply so many camps being built.

      :cia:

    • Yun [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      The ASPI data is literally them going on google maps, looking at buildings that have certain features (e.g. high walls and barbed wire) that are actually quite common and then claiming these are camps.

      • Doc14 [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Yes using google maps is the point, and I wouldn't say that those features are common. The thing I feel is that a lot of the time you can see that these are large compounds with tons of huge barbed wire fences, exercise yards, etc. Most of them seem very prison-like., and the fact there are so many new prison-like compounds in Xinjiang is what makes me concerned. Are the other explanations for all of this? Totally. But right now the relative silence concerning these satellite pictures is for me concerning.

        • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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          4 years ago

          So many of these "detention camps" have reviews on Baidu because they're apartment complexes or schools. There are (or were) some camps, but not nearly at the scale the Western media is reporting, and most of the "satellite analysis" is just sleight of hand nonsense.

          • Doc14 [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            Thanks for the global times article, it's much better than the twitter links other people are giving. The article really provides good ground images to support the claims its making.

        • queenjamie [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          But right now the relative silence concerning these satellite pictures is for me concerning.

          :cia:

          https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/powells-photos/2/

        • Yun [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Have you been to China? Chinese people on twitter I've seen have mentioned it's common for schools to have them: https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/1364121761499869185 (this is Naomi Wu, a prominent tech Youtuber based in Shenzhen)

          I'm sure some of them are actual prisons but where is the proof that all X of these prisons and schools are being used as detention facilities for the camps?

          Will also add that satellite images were used to justify the Iraq War. https://www.nti.org/gsn/article/satellite-images-of-iraqi-convoys-led-to-belief-that-iraq-possessed-chemical-weapons/