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Don't even get what chuds and libs are on about when they say that commie blocks are ugly looking either. They're functional, fuck your aesthetics, give the people homes.
You're not wrong, but homeless people can be shoved off out of view and left to rot.
I also don't get how they're any uglier then apartments from any other country.
I've seen multimillion-dollar apartments from uglier bocks here in good old capitalist Australia for example.
Yup, the tower blocks in the UK are uglier I'd say but built for the same purpose.
Also, because the khrushchyovka were supposed to be temporary, the USSR didn't do much maintenance on them. Then, post-91, none of the post-soviet states will do maintenance on them because "why bother, commie blocks are ugly anyway". So it's been a self-fulfilling message. They're ugly so don't maintain them, so they become ugly so don't maintain them...
They aren't even that ugly. Spartan maybe, I'd prefer some nice arty touches, but a Soviet housing district looks fine. It's just the west always photographs them at 3pm in February rather than high spring when the trees and flowers are out in the courtyards.
That's been bothering me for a while. Yeah, everything looks grey and shitty in the middle of winter. When you see pictures during the spring and summer where everything is green they look beautiful.
That's sad to hear. I'm going to assume the same line of reasoning is used here in the states in regards to public housing too.
Hmm, I actually don't know if there are racial implications to who lives in commie blocks in ex-soviet states, I think it's usually just old people. If there isn't, then that part at least is a bit different from the US public housing defunding narrative, which is definitely in part racist.
Yeah the narrative here in the states surrounding public housing is that it's bad because of racist undertones.
Younger people live there too either because they can't afford anything else or they inherited a flat.
They were not intended as a permanent solution anyway, but as a fast and feasible solution to an exploding city population. Since the soviet economy tanked in the seventies and eighties, the replacements could not be built.
I didn't know that. I still think they look fine as is honestly, very comfy and cozy in a way. Plus concrete is good soundproofing too.
They were being built though in the end of 70-80s, just couldn’t get all of them done :(
In 70s and 80s USSR mostly built more long-lasting and less ugly buildings, but increasing population still didn't let them to switch to something else. Post-Soviet states solved this by depopulation, so in small towns house construction pretty much ceased altogether.
Russian chuds can't use the "this is what they took from you / return to tradition" bullshit
It must be really cool to say "hey, look that thing, that was when we were a superpower thanks to communism, enjoying your lower life expectancy are you?"
Ehhh, they definitely do. Russian nationalism today is fucking weird in that they are anti communist, but also hold Stalin in high regard for defeating the Germans and building the USSR up as a superpower. That's how you get the dude with a tattoo of Tsar Nicholas and Stalin, and also nazbols.
Basically, nationalist and fascist beliefs have a ton of internal contradictions that the holders of which just kinda ignore.
But Stalin was from Georgia, how do Russian nationalists hold him up?
Russian nationalists basically split around views on Stalin, it's always hilarious to see.
I wonder sometimes what would have happened if the USSR survived into the internet era. They absolutely would have used it to slice through US propaganda.
It's difficult to say, because so much of the structure of the internet was defined by US-based organizations in close collaboration with US corporations and the US government. Maybe the web wouldn't have become as popular, like maybe we'd all be using Gopher 2.0. I think the turn towards Facebook-style "social media" and platform homogenization definitely wasn't inevitable. One can imagine an alt tech history where mass adoption of personal computers was driven not by insane marketing hype but by actual human needs, at least in some parts of the world.
i think it depends on what is changed in history. no sino-soviet split would likely mean more orthodox socialist china and soviet union (esp if they remain a united front) as one example.
See, it's funny because it's literally the same housing that they're talking about.
Worth remembering that 2% of the USSR lived in poverty in 1989. This became something like 70% in the 90s (I'm remembering this from Shock Doctrine) and 40% in 2000
Housing wasn't free. Soviet citizens usually had to pay rent. It's just that on average it was 3% of income.
It’s just that on average it was 3% of income.
Surely you mean 30%. That's what I was told is the normal amount I should expect to pay for home ownership.
