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  • captcha [any]
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    1 year ago

    It could trigger a global conflagration and explode the entire pro-American alliance structure that the United States has built in the region since Henry Kissinger engineered the end of the Yom Kippur War in 1973.

    inshallah-script

    Camp David peace treaty, the Oslo peace accords, the Abraham Accords

    Like Israel gives a shit about those.

    the senior U.S. official told me, Israeli military leaders are actually more hawkish than the prime minister now. They are red with rage...

    Yeah because they got humiliated on 10/7 by paragliders.

    This article is basically pointing at the cliff the west hurtling towards and explaining why they can't stop.

    • the_kid
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      1 year ago

      This article is basically pointing at the cliff the west hurtling towards and explaining why they can't stop.

      I really think it's basically impossible for them to stop. their hog population is still reeling and demanding blood, they've called up 200,000 reservists, they have unconditional support from the West, they may finally get their war with Iran. it's perfect for the lunatics.

  • the_itsb [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    What makes the situation triply dangerous is that even if Israel acts with herculean restraint to prevent civilian deaths in Gaza, it won’t matter. Think of what happened at Gaza City’s Ahli Arab Hospital on Tuesday.

    As the Israeli columnist Nahum Barnea pointed out to me, Palestinian Islamic Jihad achieved more this week with an apparently misfired rocket “than it achieved in all of its successful missile launches.”

    How so? After that rocket failed and fell on the Palestinian hospital in Gaza, killing scores of people, Hamas and Islamic Jihad rushed out and claimed — with no evidence — that Israel had deliberately bombed the hospital, setting streets ablaze across the Arab world. When Israel and the United States offered compelling evidence a few hours later that Islamic Jihad accidentally hit the Gaza hospital with its own rocket, it was already too late. The Arab street was on fire, and a meeting of Arab leaders with Biden was canceled.

    If people cannot talk openly and honestly about a misfired rocket, imagine what will happen when the first major Israeli invasion of Gaza begins in our wired world, linked by social networks and polluted with misinformation amplified by artificial intelligence.

    what a tremendous pile of shit

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      1 year ago

      If people cannot talk openly and honestly about a misfired rocket,

      yeah, IMAGINE that. fucking christ

    • zephyreks [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      "compelling evidence" that's provably doctored and provably contradictory with itself (nevermind with evidence at the scene)

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Compelling evidence like an Israeli defense minister tweeting "we just blew up that hospital" then deleting the tweet less than an hour later

    • GriffithDidNothingWrong [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Hamas and Islamic Jihad rushed out and claimed — with no evidence

      No evidence aside from the hospital that just exploded in the area that Israel was bombing. How foolish of them. Clearly those silly gazans just misused the one truly effective rocket they had and destroyed their own hospital. I have no idea why the arab world would leap to such ridiculous conclusions

  • ChaosMaterialist [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Thomas Friedman is the rational man in the room?

    There will be no one to extract Israel and no one to help Israel pay the cost of caring for more than two million Gazans — not if Israel is run by a government that thinks, and acts, as if it can justifiably exact its revenge on Hamas while unjustifiably building an apartheidlike society run by Jewish supremacists in the West Bank. That is a completely incoherent policy.

  • Zodiark
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    4 months ago

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    • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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      1 year ago

      "Please do, Israel, fuck things up for your side." is what I say.

  • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    It's kind of amazing to me how bad Thomas Friedman's writing is. He must have written 5+ books and he's been churning out columns (etc?) for decades. And he's in his late 60s at least. He's written million upon million words. 10+m? Yet this is typical...

    Biden, I know, tried really hard to get Israeli leaders to pause in their rage and think three steps ahead — not only about how to get into Gaza to take down Hamas but also about how to get out — and how to do it with the fewest civilian casualties possible.

    This quickie edit I made improves it. He loves to make sentences confusing and too long as well.

    Biden tried his best to get Israeli leaders to pause in their rage and think three steps ahead. How to get into Gaza to take down Hamas. How to get out. How to do so with the fewest civilian casualties possible.

    He could hire an editor (me for example) to work hourly and do only basic grunt work: for example simply rephrase things. He could make them sign an NDA and his fanbase that reads his dreck would start complimenting him how he's gotten even better as a writer.

      • InevitableSwing [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        Radical centrists and similar people are awful. They're a big part of the reason Vote(!) will never work. They block everything we want and are self-righteous about it too.

        Also - I'm wondering if I was (way) too hasty. If there were edits - maybe his fanbase would hate the improvements. They'd have an empty feeling because an ineffable special sauce is missing. I can't believe he used "Katie, bar the door" in what should be a serious and somber article. What a clown.

        Israel is not likely to let Iran use its proxies to hit Israel without eventually firing a missile directly at Tehran. Israel has missile-armed submarines that are probably in the Persian Gulf as we speak. If that gets going, it’s Katie, bar the door. [If war starts] the United States, Russia and China could all be drawn in directly or indirectly.

  • kristina [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    So this means Israel is going to do something insane, right? Like a Germany attacking Poland situation rather than teaming up with them to kill commies?