• hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    vague abstractions

    a signal that possibilities outside electoralism exists

    Vague abstractions are "signals" like this. Meaningful, material change is something like defunding the police.

    We saw it collapse last year, and it will collapse again and again

    Which wave of mass protests are you talking about here?

    • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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      4 years ago

      Signals generated by material actions like burning down police stations and flipping cars can't be abstract in the same way campaign promises by elected DSA politicians are

      Which wave of mass protests are you talking about here?

      Mass protests don't collapse because people didn't "vote enough", their beaten down, dismantled, and subverted, but each new iteration results in larger protests, faster mobilization, and an expanded pool of experienced agitators, which requires the state to invest MORE resources, MORE manpower, and MORE media propaganda to suppress

      Electoral mass movements on the otherhand all fall apart on their own terms, according to their own inertia, they aren't beaten down or dismantled, they're captured by the state and then used as a bludgeon against Mass protest movements, this is why they're an inherently inferior form of political organization

      • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        Mass protests don’t collapse because people didn’t “vote enough”

        But they do collapse. What they accomplish boils down to what they can pressure elected officials to do. And the response of elected officials is at least partly a function of whether those officials come with the priors of AOC or the priors of Nancy Pelosi.