Or has the moment passed and the House already voted on the bill?

  • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    Who cares if the left is blamed by the media. Force Biden or the Senate to not vote on $15.

      • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        They didn't though, the $15 minimum wage was stripped out of the Covid Stimulus because the parliamentarian said a higher wage wouldn't have an affect on the budget therefore it cannot be a part of reconciliation.

        Edit: Sorry, I meant $15 attached to Covid relief. Senate rejected $15 outright (thumbs down heard round the world), but dare them to reject the Covid Bill over $15/hour.

    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      I gave three or four other reasons this won't work. "The left will get blamed for it" is just a counter to the idea that Biden would take heat for the squad very prominently holding this up.

      • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        I can't say who will or won't get heat, but imo the only purpose of electoralism is to heighten contradictions by showing the Democratic Party cannot pass any kind of non means tested redistributive policies. Democrats political power comes from immiserating people, Pelosi/Biden/Kamala ect aren't going to do something that hurts their political power. The sooner this fact is drilled into people's heads the better.

        • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          If we're assuming from the start that Democrats would never ever pass a $15 minimum wage, than we can't really blame the squad for not somehow forcing it through. It was never a realistic possibility to begin with, per our initial assumption.

          If the goal is to highlight who does and doesn't support the $15 minimum wage, we already know that.

          • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            The goal should be radicalizing as many people as possible by showing what the Democratic Party's true colors are. The $15 min wage vote didn't get much media play, rejecting the Covid bill would suck up all the oxygen in the room.

            Force Manchin/Sinema/Tester to reject $15/hour by killing the Covid bill. I doubt AOC/Ilhan ect would do this because they see some redeeming qualities in the party, but I'm well past that point.

            • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              The $15 min wage vote didn’t get much media play, rejecting the Covid bill would suck up all the oxygen in the room.

              Then we're back to the issue of who gets blamed in the media. The answer, of course, would be the left. Here's what you'd get non-stop from corporate media:

              We were all ready to get you checks and unemployment funding, but the socialists threw a fit and blew the whole thing up. We already addressed the issue of the minimum wage. Not only will it not get past the Senate, but it couldn't get through the Senate even if all 50 Democrats got on board with it -- the parliamentarian already ruled on this. These socialists are in over their head, and their incompetence is keeping $1400 and unemployment funding from you. If they don't get with the program soon enough the adults in the room will have to cut a deal with Republicans to try and get some relief out.

              Now this is all horseshit, and you can make all sorts of great arguments against it, but this is where the narrative will start and where the weight of the media will try to keep it. If we're focused on how this will play in the media, this is a bad fight to pick.

              • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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                3 years ago

                I'm sure the corporate media will blame the left, but no one can spin the optics of voting against Covid to prevent a $15 min wage increase. Preventing checks AND a $15 min wage would be a true sight to behold. And it would basically give the 'left' of the party swag to do it again.

                Th spectacle of Sanders awakened so many people politically, the spectacle of the party refusing to improve people's lives beyond a single check would push people left. Worrying about minutiae at this point or who wins or loses the day's headlines is putting the cart before the horse.

                • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  no one can spin the optics of voting against Covid to prevent a $15 min wage increase

                  Which is why we would never come close to getting such a vote. The vote we had was up or down on the Covid bill without the minimum wage increase. So it would be the squad voting against the Covid bill, not centrist Democrats. And they would get all the blame for it because they're the reason it didn't pass.

                  Worrying about minutiae at this point or who wins or loses the day’s headlines

                  I'm not seeing a coherent position here. Is the media narrative we'd get from this important or not?

                  • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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                    3 years ago

                    Which is why we would never come close to getting such a vote. The vote we had was up or down on the Covid bill without the minimum wage increase. So it would be the squad voting against the Covid bill, not centrist Democrats. And they would get all the blame for it because they’re the reason it didn’t pass.

                    It would be the squad voting against stripping the $15 min wage.

                    I’m not seeing a coherent position here. Is the media narrative we’d get from this important or not?

                    You're being a little pedantic here - Sam Seder is that you? Spectacle is important, winning the media headlines as decided by corporate media is not. You are basing this argument by the rules set by corporate media.

                    • hogposting [he/him,comrade/them]
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                      3 years ago

                      It would be the squad voting against stripping the $15 min wage.

                      No, the bill as-is includes Covid relief but not the $15 minimum wage. There was an up/down vote on that. The squad would have had to vote against the Covid relief bill and then make the case that this was justified because it lacked the minimum wage increase.

                      There is not a bill with Covid relief and the minimum wage increase that other Democrats would have to vote against.

                      You are basing this argument by the rules set by corporate media.

                      Corporate media does in fact play an enormous role in the overall media landscape. Ignoring their role is foolish.

                      • Sunn_Owns [none/use name]
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                        3 years ago

                        We're just arguing semantics on the first point.

                        Corporate media does in fact play an enormous role in the overall media landscape. Ignoring their role is foolish.

                        Sure, they play a role, but they aren't all powerful. Look at the success Trump and Sanders - both hates by corporate media.