My daughter (16F) has refused to eat dog meat for about a year. Although we all enjoy a nice dog steak, me, my husband and her brother (14M) have tried to be as supportive as possible.
We aren't a family that eats dog meat daily, so it wasn't that hard for me to accommodate her. When I do cook dog meat, I also make something else for her and keep the side dishes common for all. She does have some seperate dishes, but most are common and I clean it if I have to cook for her.
Few months into refusing to eat dog meat, she tried to convince us to stop eating it too and would get increasingly angry when we said no. Me and husband shut that behaviour down hard and told her that she can follow whatever diet she wanted, but she cannot expect others to. She sulked for a while, but stopped doing that.
Last weekend, I cooked the family a big pot of chilli (a small dog-free one and a large one made from one of our Labradors, Cooper), so that I can refrigerate it and use for the next week. Next day, I found the fridge empty of both the chilli and turns out, my daughter decided that we were are being too callous about dog meat. She felt the smell was "too much" when she opened the fridge door and that she can't anything from the fridge after that without gagging or puking. She told me that I need to throw out all the dog-free food in the fridge and restock them.
Me and my husband were livid. Wasting food is never okay with us and that was a lot of food. I told her I am going to continue using the products in the fridge and she can either eat it or not, but I am not wasting food. That whole week she kept making faces at dinner while she ate.
As a punishment, I gave her the recipe and told her she needs to cook Max (another one of our Labradors) next weekend. She yelled and begged, but I stood firm. In the end, she did it.
When the cooking was finished, I told her that wasting food is never okay in this house and pointed out that instead of x amount of dog meat being used, 2x amount of dog meat (Since this seems to be confusing. I meant as in x amount in the pot she wasted + x amount in the new one. I didn't purposefully make her put more than what was used previously) was used because she threw the food away.
Now, she started crying and yelling at me about how awful and disgusting I was because I not only paid someone to kill Max (which my daughter is very much against), I also forced her to cook him and now I am also telling her that it was her fault.
She is really upset about this. So, I am wondering if I went too far. Should I have picked a different punishment? My husband and brother definitely think what I did was right while my parents thinks I was in the wrong.
I thought I will put it to a vote. AITA?
I am taking the bait on this one. Vegan trolling is really stupid imho. It all boils down to being able to afford to not eat things. It is luxury and a sign of how wealthy a person is. While people like my family lived on literal handouts from the church when I was growing up. Some people are beggars and not choosers. Perhaps they should change story to involve a homeless person eating a dog to stay alive? Or would it have not work out as funny as the bait in that link?
EDIT: Just saw the link in the post and changed it to reflect the real OP.
i'm sure it depends on the country, but that's a pretty weak take for the US. i was homeless for a long, long time, and there were plenty of other homeless people who were vegans. a can of beans is like the cheapest and most accessible thing. white boxing was the easiest way of eating decent prepared free vegan food, which was usually easier to come by than meat because people tend to save the shit they don't want/might not eat for later, which is usually vegetables and bread.
Yep I should have gotten off my 8 year old ass and got a job right?
i'm specifically addressing this part of your take. don't use homeless people as a reason to label all vegans as some luxurious wealthy hipsters.
edit: furthermore, as a child you're probably just going to be eating whatever your parents eat. i'm not against people eating meat, i'm against attacking vegans as boogie and only capable of being vegan because they've got money, which is obviously not the truth.
Dont try to put words in my mouth. Vegans are mostly luxurious wealthy hipsters, and you trying to tell me that others out there that live on the charity of others should tell those people to fuck off until they bring something that they like is a garbage take. Just because you had the resources that gave you the ability to choose what you eat does not mean that others do. That was my point.
lol you're a joke.
i literally told you vegan food is way you're accessible than meat when you're homeless, and you're being a hypocrite by literally putting words in my mouth when you literally just said
which is exactly the words I quoted you as saying.
i demonstrated that homeless people have the ways and means of eating a vegan diet and explained the methods through which they do. you didn't have a real point, as I just showed you.
edit: are you fucking with me and i'm just missing it? cause i don't understand otherwise how this is possible
Far from it my friend. You won! I am going to go right now down to my local church and tell them to stop serving people food until its all vegan.
whenever i went to a foodbank 90 percent of the food they gave out was canned vegetables and bread and pasta, and feeds usually have a vegetarian option.
You must live in an interesting area. You should come around Utah sometime. The Mormons will feed just about anybody but sadly they get to like decided what it is. When my mom would do it she would just get handed a sheet by the local Bishop all filled out by him. When my parents got divorced we so dirt poor that this stuff is all I had to eat for a long time. Perhaps there was an option like you say and I am just making as ass out of myself, but as you can see on that link its not really friendly in telling what is and isn't vegan. I am just trying to figure out how you feed people in situations where they have no choice. Sure you can walk away from stuff like the Mormon welfare programs but like is that really an option for long in an area like Utah?
You can criticize anyone at any time, even if they give you things and you accept them. That isn't hypocritical. You can criticize people for bad things they do even when they also do good things.
What would you have done with a homeless shelter that doesn't accept anyone who isn't white, or male, or cis? You wouldn't want them to stop housing unhoused people, but obviously that cannot continue, right?
The homeless shelter has the option to stop discriminating today and continue to provide shelter. These ideas are not at all in conflict.
No ethical vegan on this site is telling anyone who has no choice in the matter to die because they can't afford meat, they're just telling you that almost everyone can afford rice. I know this to be true because my family of 3 lives on the paycheck of one disabled family member and I manage to make good vegan food every single day of the week, and no one ever goes hungry.
Do not compare me being trans with the choice of being vegan. Lets just get that out of the way before you continue replying to me.
It's not really baiting people, it's satirizing this post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/ij7etm/aita_for_forcing_my_vegan_daughter_to_cook_meat/
Found it funny, posted it. Most vegans aren't chastising the homeless or native tribes, that shit is strawmanning for no reason.
One persons satire is another persons bait.
Its all a matter of perspective. Also fuck off with your debate bro shit. I don't care what you think strawmanning is. Me growing up living off the charity of others is a real thing that happens to this day to others. You do not argue with people who are trying to feed you on their dime.EDIT: Changed some text after a reply
You've misunderstood me I think, the strawmanning is implying that anyone is criticizing you for it when no one is. People do what they need to to get by.
Sorry for being in attack mode. I sort am getting a little defensive right now because another part of this thread.
All good all good
https://youtu.be/NlmFLEhR0uY?t=544
lets talk about specialities if he is interested
I also question how effective that kind of trolling is. I think the kinds of people who that might appeal to, people who have enough empathy to see the connection between dogs and more traditionally eaten animals, have already considered the fact that we eat pigs and not dogs and simply don't care. They're not reading somebody's fake dog chili story and experiencing a deep revelation about why they should go vegan. The only people who the dog argument can actually sway could probably have their minds changed if you talked to them like adults in the framework of a normal conversation. This kind of half-assed snark probably turns more people away from veganism than it attracts.
I personally think it also drives people away from moving to the left. When have you ever seen some chud chastising someone over what they eat? Meanwhile I can link a few thread here on chacha that just flat out say you cant be a leftist unless you are vegan.
It's irony shitposting about a topic they care deeply about . It's the same thing as most of the posts on here, just on a different topic. I'm pretty sure they know this wouldn't convince anyone, as that was never the intention of the post.
Idk maybe I'm jaded but I feel like there's more anger than irony in this kind of thing. At least posts here are funny. I guess it's possible they just suck at shit posting though.
Lmao what kind of trolling drives recruitment?
Somehow I doubt pig poop balls radicalised anyone.
I don't think it's really "recruitment" with veganism. They're just trying to gross people out so they stop eating meat. I think there's a pretty huge difference between pig poop balls, which is used completely dismissively, and this long effort troll post about dog chili on reddit lol.
How about a compromise? We vegans will stop trolling when the state stops taking our money and giving it to the beef and dairy industries.
the smug ,that they have in their conversation gives it away its just fine : "I am Vegan now , You are scum ! I am aboloshied of all guilt ! Witness me you peasants!"
I'm convinced that people who eat meat are seriously plagued by guilt, because even the most tacit concession of veganism gets interpreted as a personal attack on the listener. Like, a lot of people don't want vegans to exist in the same way they don't want homosexuals or minorities to exist.
I am not sure it is wise to claim that vegans experience that level of oppression
Thankfully, I didn't make that claim.
"I’m convinced that people who eat meat are seriously plagued by guilt, because even the most tacit concession of veganism gets interpreted as a personal attack on the listener. Like, a lot of people don’t want vegans to exist in the same way they don’t want homosexuals or minorities to exist." - zifnab25
By the pound, not much is cheaper than rice and beans. After that, a lot of what you're paying for is "freshness". Canned foods are the cheapest. Frozen foods are next. Fresh is the most expensive by far.
If you're cash strapped, there are very few instances in which a vegetable is more expensive than a meat. The only real exception is ground beef/pork, and only because the price-yield for fresh steaks/chops is so high and the ratio of steak-to-beef so small that ground beef becomes a kind-of edible waste product of the steak-making industry.
At that point, it really is just a question of ethics. Will you or won't you participate in industrial meat production? There's no upcharge to sticking with legumes. It isn't even really a question of flavor (ask any Indian or Pakistani to send you a recipe). It's just a choice you make.