I like how you completely disregarded my other point though lol but okay.
If you really wanna get to my point I'm mexican, I like meat, tons of my cultural dishes use meat, I'm not gonna give up eating it just to make white people feel better about the shitty things their governments have done
Reverse cultural chauvinism isn't actually going to help anyone. You guys have to divert the conversation from the harm of animals to other tangential issues every time like this. Just chill out.
Not who you are replying too, but the vast majority of militant vegans that I've met are upper middle class white people (not all, mind you) This group has a tendency to impose it's culture and values on other people, while also being responsible for upholding systems of oppression.
This group has a tendency to impose it’s culture and values on other people.
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Like that post oh here where a vegan told an indigenous person that didn't like their bit to go "read settlers". Like wtf. Then another vegan accused the indigenous person of "playing the race card". How completely tone deaf can people be?
it's more like "damn those privledged people are trying to shame me for my own culture, while they're responsible for most of the suffering in the world. they should probably just shut the fuck up and deal with their own issues"
What I'm saying should be completely obvious. When faced with the climate emergency that is largely the fault of Western white people for a multitude of reasons, why should I adjust my consumption habits? When the average American family's carbon footprint dwarfs anything my family could produce, when your billionaires burn enough fuel to make a villages footprint a rounding error, when your people are going to use the climate crisis as an excuse to vilify my people and shun them when the crisis your people created is at your doorstep.
I agree this shouldn't be a personal decision. People shouldn't be made to feel guilty about their consumption, or anxious about having to do a moral choice in the first place. All of the consumption choices should be ethical and sustainable. Unfortunately, they are not, so the individual lives with the burden.
The basis of traditional mexican food is plants based. Maíz, frijol, calabaza, chile, tomate, nopales, arroz, etc. Veganism is not incompatible with your culture, it's probably one of the easiest ones to convert.
The point is not to make white people feel better, it's to do something about the problem, to change the culture. Do you at least agree that (certain aspects of) the culture needs to change, and that that involves you?
I like how you completely disregarded my other point though lol but okay.
If you really wanna get to my point I'm mexican, I like meat, tons of my cultural dishes use meat, I'm not gonna give up eating it just to make white people feel better about the shitty things their governments have done
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No "the hamburger" isn't a cultural dish.
I'm not surprised you can't comprehend what I'm saying whitey. I know considering the point of other races isn't your strong suit.
No they typically eat meat too, they're just more wasteful in one lifetime than an entire village could ever be.
this is what they took from you
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Reverse cultural chauvinism isn't actually going to help anyone. You guys have to divert the conversation from the harm of animals to other tangential issues every time like this. Just chill out.
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Not who you are replying too, but the vast majority of militant vegans that I've met are upper middle class white people (not all, mind you) This group has a tendency to impose it's culture and values on other people, while also being responsible for upholding systems of oppression.
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:this:
Like that post oh here where a vegan told an indigenous person that didn't like their bit to go "read settlers". Like wtf. Then another vegan accused the indigenous person of "playing the race card". How completely tone deaf can people be?
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it's more like "damn those privledged people are trying to shame me for my own culture, while they're responsible for most of the suffering in the world. they should probably just shut the fuck up and deal with their own issues"
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Fuck off. Log off.
What I'm saying should be completely obvious. When faced with the climate emergency that is largely the fault of Western white people for a multitude of reasons, why should I adjust my consumption habits? When the average American family's carbon footprint dwarfs anything my family could produce, when your billionaires burn enough fuel to make a villages footprint a rounding error, when your people are going to use the climate crisis as an excuse to vilify my people and shun them when the crisis your people created is at your doorstep.
Why should I give a fuck?
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I agree this shouldn't be a personal decision. People shouldn't be made to feel guilty about their consumption, or anxious about having to do a moral choice in the first place. All of the consumption choices should be ethical and sustainable. Unfortunately, they are not, so the individual lives with the burden.
The basis of traditional mexican food is plants based. Maíz, frijol, calabaza, chile, tomate, nopales, arroz, etc. Veganism is not incompatible with your culture, it's probably one of the easiest ones to convert.
The point is not to make white people feel better, it's to do something about the problem, to change the culture. Do you at least agree that (certain aspects of) the culture needs to change, and that that involves you?
Yes they should