Earlier today a vegan made a post with a white supremacist dog whistle by satirizing a person who's people "have been eating dog for thousands of years". Another Indigenous person and I did our best to call out the white supremacist nature of the discussion, so the poster later edited the title to specifically reference European people, which may have been well intentioned but only served to gaslight us by making it look like we were over-reacting and looking to be offended.

I came here for the leftism, and stayed for the Trans Rights. I'm a 2-spirit, native leftist. I have myriad reasons why I may or may not choose or even have the choice of veganism and any moralizing or condescension that comes from white vegans is an extension of over 500 years of an imposition of an alien value system which is profoundly disconnected from this land and the plants and animals which are our blood relations.

      • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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        4 years ago

        veganism specifically is a moral doctrine more akin to religion.

        nuclear take. what? Veganism is a set of dietary choices, it doesn't nourish my soul and there's no faith involved. Asking someone to stop eating dead animal is not the same as asking someone to abandon their religious faith. eating meat just sucks

          • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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            4 years ago

            sorry, we're all so glib because we see the same reasons again and again so they basically becomes memes for us. Everyone has different reasons, but I'm personally an environmentalist vegan so I mostly bark up your tree because meat is very carbon/land inefficient per calorie and it's just not a sustainable way to feed everyone in the future. also I personally think animals products are gross and the conditions of their "harvesting" are very cruel. I can't necessarily convince you of the second point but the first point is a fact. The history of American land use and imperialism has made meat (beef especially) a massive part of our diet far beyond pre-industrial amounts. China recently just committed to reducing national meat consumption by 50%, while the US still subsidizes the destruction of the Amazon Rainforest for ranch land. If you are willing to divest from other polluting substances you really should for meat as well.

            • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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              4 years ago

              You wanna go take a gander at the /c/vegan sidebar, reprinted below for your convenience?

              spoiler

              No plant-based diet bullshit. Veganism isn’t about you, it’s about speciesism and animal rights. Ethical intersectional vegans only. No omni apologists. Babystepping is for libs, and we’re not here to pat you on the back. Good faith questions and debate about transitioning to a vegan lifestyle are allowed in the megathread. No advocating violence to any species for any reason. If you think this is negotiable GTFO. This includes but is not limited to animal testing, slaughter, and mass euthanasia. Slurs/bigotry/TERF shit will result in a permanent ban. No promotion of plant-based capitalism. Veganism is about animal liberation.:::

        • Harukiller14 [they/them,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          I'm not giving the meat industry a pass. I have no problem killing, processing, and eating animals.

          I'm also mostly shit posting against vegans because they're fucking annoying. Love being told I'm the problem for eating meat, when people that look like me are being put in concentration camps.

          Even when you express the fact that vegans are correct and that you're personally trying to lower your consumption of meat they don't really care. They literally think the act of not consuming something is radical.

          • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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            4 years ago

            I'm not making that point in earnest, I'm mocking what a terrible argument that was.

            "It accounts for one sixth of the total? Well it doesn't account for five-sixths of the total."

            90% fat-free!

    • Jerma_sucks [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I’m really not one to tell natives in Greenland to stop hunting seal

      Japan hunts whales to maintain their market hegemony.