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  • J_Edbear_Hoover [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Here's the thing, if your health and finances allow, you can make the choice to opt out of consuming animal products, not so for universal healthcare.

        • spiroagnew [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          that's the problem and reinforces why individual choice isn't effective. I hope you see this some day

          • J_Edbear_Hoover [she/her]
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            4 years ago

            What? Opting out of healthcare in the US just means I don't have healthcare. There is no critical mass of people opting out of health insurance which will force change. Opting out of consuming animal products, on the other hand, does produce an immediate impact.

            • spiroagnew [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              a mass movement of people not having healthcare (a strike of sorts) would actually be pretty effective

              • J_Edbear_Hoover [she/her]
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                4 years ago

                Except you can't. In my state your employer is mandated to force you into an insurance plan, unless you can prove you are otherwise covered.

                • spiroagnew [none/use name]
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                  4 years ago

                  hmm so you're saying that individuals making a choice won't do anything, as it takes collective action (as you acknowledge that it would be effective to have an insurance strike)?

                  I wonder how this relates to individual consumption choices...

                  • J_Edbear_Hoover [she/her]
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                    4 years ago

                    Every vegan I know acknowledges that the more people we convert to our philosophy the greater impact we will have. Yet when we do try and convince people to give up animal products we're accused of being "sanctimonious" and forcing our views on others. I really don't understand how leftists can't understand this, if the revolution happened tomorrow and our side won,, how many liberals would we be forcing to conform to a way of life that they vehemently disagree with? Marxism is about the collective good vs the individual and, humanitarian considerations aside, a society devoid of animal products is a net collective good.