And brought up socialism, as soon as I did like half the board turned into fiscal conservative chuds. Do you think Tim Mcilrath ever gets tired of chuds just not even listening to or caring about the passionate lyrics he writes for his songs?
Seems like Rage Against the Machine deals with the exact same shit.
They can listen to that song a thousand times and not get it. I've seen a handful of hip hop heads listening to Killing in the Name on youtube and the first response, invariably, is, "Is he saying fuck the police? He is saying fuck the police. This shit is lit!"
Rise Against is angry loud which is enough for a lot of normies who think they're rebels cuz they hated their teachers and standing for the pledge
That’s so bizarre lol some dude in a confederate flag hat and ‘I’m an infidel shirt’ blasting this
https://youtu.be/5pacmEDK7vA
If you'd like some other melodic hardcore bands with fewer chud fans, check out Defeater, Comeback Kid, Modern Life Is War, Verse, Another Breath, or what I'm listening to right now None More Black. Also, keep in mind Americans are some of the most propagandized people re: socialism, so you're fighting literally generations of brainwashing.
Chances are these kids aren't chuds, they're frustrated and rebellious and know shit is dumb and broken, but haven't questioned why things are the way they are thoroughly, and still rely on their childhood framework for understanding the world. Socialism is a word that people who think they're smarter than you use when they want you on their side, but don't actually have your best interests in mind because they're gonna take like half of your inheritance money when grandpa dies and you really want that mustang but they're gonna take it away
I forgot to recommend Killing The Dream, but they're very similar to the list above. When you're feeling more emotional, Touche Amore, La Dispute, William Bonney. If you want some femme fronted stuff, Gouge Away, GLOSS, Faim, Initiate.
you'd think if they hated standing for the pledge they'd be less pro-amerikkka
For all the radicalization and ideas punk rock exposed me to, I’m surprised so many people can not pick up the ideals but hook so hard into the aesthetics.
in the end, i guess culture isnt a vector for spreading leftism :(
Yes he definitely does. At one concert he played "Hero of War" and the crowd started chanting "USA USA USA" for some reason. Immediately afterwards the band played "Blood Red White and Blue" and Tim looked visibly pissed. Wish I had the YouTube video at the moment.
this is why you have to get the message across in really unambiguous terms, in between songs just go
"you want to chant 'USA'? Here, let me help, when I say 'fuck the' you say 'USA' and when I say 'death to' you say 'USA'"
I mean the lyrics of "Blood Red White and Blue" are pretty explicit in being anti USA so playing it afterwards probably got the message across. They even pronounce and spell America as "Amerikkka" in their songs. But I like your idea too, just scream "Death to Amerikkka" after every song, get the chuds out real quick.
It would be impossible to listen to rage and not get the leftist political message out of it
I think you underestimate the ability of Americans to actually listen to and process lyrics of music.
Hey Ya (the Outkast song) is a song about divorce and falling out of love with your wife, but is still played at every wedding across the country.
Literally in the song Andre 3000 calls people out on this
y'all don't want to here me, ya just want to dance
But it doesn't matter.
This version is my fav :penguin-love:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8K0EAc3abq8
Aw man. I hate that this is how I learned of Sam Lloyd's passing. Fuck this makes me sad now
I didn't know either. Just looked at his wikipedia to see cause of death (it wasn't covid, it was cancer) and saw that his wife had just given birth the previous year. Poor kid is going to grow up without his dad.
Bizarre that Paul Ryan tries to be a fan lol. Guys a right wing slug
I'm sure he does genuinely like it and rationalizes his continued enjoyment of it (despite knowing the band hates him) with a death of the author argument.
Chuds love punk rock because they think it's really about, like, fighting the people who stopped publishing Dr. Seuss or won't let you speak on a college campus for believing in race science or something. These walking brain wojaks seriously believe supporting corporations and the police is the new counterculture.
These people would also get booted from any actual DIY punk show. Being a chud will get you out in the hospital
The same chuds that think they’re punk cause they’re rebelling against “woke culture” or whatever bad guy they have in their head.
😂 against the refugee. They’re so evil, they’d probably still think the song title was virtuous
I know this guy whose favorite song was Hero of war. He later joined the military
Something something dying as a hero, living long and becoming the villain
Why do you think the song "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" was written?
"yo that song is my personal anthem, its like it was written just for me! i work forces AND i burn crosses, what are the odds bro? yeah! fuck you i wont do what you tell me!"
its sad seeing rise against and bad religion my two favorite bands of my youth seem so libby when they seemed so radical when ai was young
I still love both. Obviously there’s only so much you can put in songs that get radio AirPlay.
I don’t know, I’m not going to fault either of them.
Im kind of bitter at bad religions recent album’s both sidesing sadly. also their newest single “emancipation of the mind” is idealist garbage :/ if their music slapped id be ok with it but its meh at best
I agree 100% i really love that song though same with chaos from within and I enjoy the approach as well (although these two basically say nothing tbh) thats the most credit I can give it though everything was miserable:/
if you disliked age of unreason go hate listen to emancipation of the mind. its really bad
Now i remember how back in school a friend of mine was all like "do you think American Jesus is meant ironically or is it sincere?"
i mean irony is so much easier to see now I feel like idk maybe im hopeful 😂
Want some actually radical punk? Most are a lot less melodic than either of those bands but I can toss some recommendations.
my issue is I love good lyrics I can understand but i love the intense fast energy of punk and skate punk so I usually settle for melodic stuff you know?
so yes please definitely
Fair enough other than Propagandhi and maybe Leftover Crack/Choking Victim. Older Chumbawamba is pretty punk (they've always had amazing lyrics). Crass and the whole UK anarcho thing from the 80s was a pretty big jumping off point for me politically, although at this point I can really tell it was mostly written by well meaning kids who mostly had no idea what they're talking about, but the energy is good. I'm into the crustier side of things where melody is a much lesser concern. Maybe 90s heavier American anarcho stuff like Aus-Rotten or Antischism, if you like them I can supply a lot more where that came from.
Get back at me with what you like, I'm an encyclopedia of obscure punk music. It's also just super fun to be involved with.
I've met a whole lot of right wing Punks whose entire thing is like "my dad doesn't like it when I wear leather boots and dye my hair but I do it anyway. Fuck authority."
if your whole worldview is based around performatively refusing to lick one boot so you can fit a different boot in your mouth, it would help to be familiar with boots
Most of them were former or current military, so they are the boots.
I hate to be pessimistic, but this is why musical movements (or any kind of artistic movement) don't pan out the way people, especially the artists themselves, envision or hope for. It's cool you can identify with a group, or a genre, and think other fans encompass your belief system, but often it's just not there or worse yet, the messaging is misunderstood by the masses (white fans of Chappelle's Show come to mind).
was it the bit where he describes a series of absurd scenarios where you have been deeply personally wronged in strange ways by a black person and says if any of those nigh impossible things happen then you have permission to say the n-word?
I can never remember if that was a Chris Rock bit or not, but I really struggle to believe that someone could interpret it as anything other than "you don't have permission to say the n-word"
I’ve seen Boots Riley/The Coup fans be surprised when I bring up their actual views so I’m not surprised in the least.
I guess "Kill my Landlord" wasn't explicit enough to out them as maoists
Tbf, "Kill my Landlord" appeals to a wide variety of political leanings.
