Seems like the chuds won’t leave you guys alone lately, just know you aren’t alone and we have your back.

Just checking in on you guys really

      • vccx [they/them]
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        3 years ago

        Iirc the only person they killed was another roof Korean. They're just used for racist propaganda.

          • purr [undecided]
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            3 years ago

            um its pretty easy to entirely condemn them given the fact that at the most charitable, theyre willing to shoot people to protect property, even if their property means alot to them...... like lowkey mccloskey hours...but i dont want to derail this general thread for asian solidarity

            • PhaseFour [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              theyre willing to shoot people to protect property, even if their property means alot to them

              This is true for basically anyone. Plenty of progressive forces have laid down their lives to protect property. You can make the distinction between personal & private property, native land & stolen land, etc. In this case we are talking about impoverished, nationally oppressed petite bourgeoisie protecting their livelihood.

              Riots are the inevitable reaction to dispossession & exploitation under capitalism, and condemning rioters for moral failures is absolutely childish. However, neither rioters nor the petite bourgeoisie's reaction represents a progressive force. A riot is an unfortunate circumstance which leads various sectors of the lower classes to go to war against each other.

              Blanket condemnation or support seems really out of place under these circumstances.

              • purr [undecided]
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                3 years ago

                i think some of what youre saying is true but i feel as though we're constantly asked to nuance an issue when a black person is on the wrong end of the scope and that is what im responding to / i also think there were more options/ are more options available than holding a gun in fron of your property and pointing it at random black people// i also think the context as to what set off the riots in the first place also kinda factors into my opinion of the roof koreans // i am also considering that family of the people on the roof have since expressed regret and shame about the events and contextualized it within anti blackness. // im also responding to how "roof koreans" seems to be generally misunderstood and celebrated in a very unnuanced positive way thats been picked up by white supremacists but also by lay people

                annnnd thats all ill be saying bc again, dont want to derail this thread and theres a time and a place for certain discussion

                • PhaseFour [he/him]
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                  3 years ago

                  We basically agree on everything, so I don't want to keep this conversation going.

                  we’re constantly asked to nuance an issue when a black person is on the wrong end of the scope

                  The problem is when nuance is provided to everyone but the most oppressed. Material reality is most sympathetic to them.

                  i am also considering that family of the people on the roof have since expressed regret and shame about the events and contextualized it within anti blackness.

                  That's good. They share a common, powerful enemy.

                  im also responding to how “roof koreans” seems to be generally misunderstood and celebrated in a very unnuanced positive way

                  Celebrating "rooftop Koreans" is reactionary nonsense

        • GreatestWhiteShark [none/use name]
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          3 years ago

          I'm pretty sure that their kill count that year includes that guy and an unarmed black teenager, whom a store owner shot in the back of the head as she was trying to leave the store after being accused of theft (totally not racism btw)

          Real laudable group of people (petty bouge storeowners)

      • SadSoulja [love/loves]
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        3 years ago

        Some healthy debate on this topic here you love to see it. My take is they were kind of being like Kenosha Kyle but at least they were actually defending their own businesses not a random ass used car lot and I get how as immigrants they didn’t feel the state would have their back to protect their businesses or help them rebuild. But there was a crazy level of tension between black people and Koreans at the time in LA.

        So basically it was possibly lose everything you came to America to build or shoot black looters. Fucked up situation to be in but the thing that bothers me personally is the “shoot black looters” part is definitely why much of the internet/2A people rallies around them and turned roof Koreans into a meme.

        Then what really throws a wrench into things is that the iconic photo of those 2 roof Koreans blasting cigs is just undeniably cool. Captures the 90s aesthetic perfectly lol

        -Soulja