Seems like the chuds won’t leave you guys alone lately, just know you aren’t alone and we have your back.
Just checking in on you guys really
I had no opinion on hamster ovaries before today and dammit no neo-cold war bullshit can make me come up with one
As much as "enlightened anglo leftists" here like to pretend to be immune to propaganda, they are still easily affected by propaganda like this, so next time you see state department friendly disinformation warriors spread propaganda under a "leftist" cover here, remember instances like these. The reason why anglo societies are decaying far-right societies is not accidental. The failure of many of these anglo "leftists" to push back against the obscene propaganda by pretending to be "nuanced" as literal murders balloon shows how clueless they are.
That the propaganda is obscene can't be denied any longer:
- https://electronicintifada.net/content/how-muslim-group-emgage-serves-american-empire/32566
- https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/17/report-uyghur-genocide-sham-university-neocon-punish-china/
The question is, why do the mods keep allowing those spreading it?
I wonder how gun reddit would respond to "roof Korean" memes right about now.
Reddit fucking loves roof Koreans
It's totally not racism
Iirc the only person they killed was another roof Korean. They're just used for racist propaganda.
um its pretty easy to entirely condemn them given the fact that at the most charitable, theyre willing to shoot people to protect property, even if their property means alot to them...... like lowkey mccloskey hours...but i dont want to derail this general thread for asian solidarity
theyre willing to shoot people to protect property, even if their property means alot to them
This is true for basically anyone. Plenty of progressive forces have laid down their lives to protect property. You can make the distinction between personal & private property, native land & stolen land, etc. In this case we are talking about impoverished, nationally oppressed petite bourgeoisie protecting their livelihood.
Riots are the inevitable reaction to dispossession & exploitation under capitalism, and condemning rioters for moral failures is absolutely childish. However, neither rioters nor the petite bourgeoisie's reaction represents a progressive force. A riot is an unfortunate circumstance which leads various sectors of the lower classes to go to war against each other.
Blanket condemnation or support seems really out of place under these circumstances.
i think some of what youre saying is true but i feel as though we're constantly asked to nuance an issue when a black person is on the wrong end of the scope and that is what im responding to / i also think there were more options/ are more options available than holding a gun in fron of your property and pointing it at random black people// i also think the context as to what set off the riots in the first place also kinda factors into my opinion of the roof koreans // i am also considering that family of the people on the roof have since expressed regret and shame about the events and contextualized it within anti blackness. // im also responding to how "roof koreans" seems to be generally misunderstood and celebrated in a very unnuanced positive way thats been picked up by white supremacists but also by lay people
annnnd thats all ill be saying bc again, dont want to derail this thread and theres a time and a place for certain discussion
We basically agree on everything, so I don't want to keep this conversation going.
we’re constantly asked to nuance an issue when a black person is on the wrong end of the scope
The problem is when nuance is provided to everyone but the most oppressed. Material reality is most sympathetic to them.
i am also considering that family of the people on the roof have since expressed regret and shame about the events and contextualized it within anti blackness.
That's good. They share a common, powerful enemy.
im also responding to how “roof koreans” seems to be generally misunderstood and celebrated in a very unnuanced positive way
Celebrating "rooftop Koreans" is reactionary nonsense
I'm pretty sure that their kill count that year includes that guy and an unarmed black teenager, whom a store owner shot in the back of the head as she was trying to leave the store after being accused of theft (totally not racism btw)
Real laudable group of people (petty bouge storeowners)
Some healthy debate on this topic here you love to see it. My take is they were kind of being like Kenosha Kyle but at least they were actually defending their own businesses not a random ass used car lot and I get how as immigrants they didn’t feel the state would have their back to protect their businesses or help them rebuild. But there was a crazy level of tension between black people and Koreans at the time in LA.
So basically it was possibly lose everything you came to America to build or shoot black looters. Fucked up situation to be in but the thing that bothers me personally is the “shoot black looters” part is definitely why much of the internet/2A people rallies around them and turned roof Koreans into a meme.
Then what really throws a wrench into things is that the iconic photo of those 2 roof Koreans blasting cigs is just undeniably cool. Captures the 90s aesthetic perfectly lol
-Soulja
My wife is a Korean. She's doing fine but I'm pretty upset (I'm wh*te). Our kids are half-Korean. I met my wife while I was working as an English teacher in South Korea. Back then, I was a lib, but now I feel that I participated in the imperial project in South Korea and it upsets me. We live in America now because as a lib I really wanted to raise a family here. Big mistake moving back here a few years ago. I radicalized after our return. My wife has to put up with racist microaggressions all the time. We live in an extremely liberal area. She's a Berner, not an ML, and she was complaining a lot yesterday about the reaction to the murders on the South Korean internet. It's overrun with chuds and bourgeois dickheads, of course, which means that they were saying the typical bullshit, like who the fuck cares, they were just sex workers, whatever. Fuck 'em. South Korea is actually way more leftwing than you might think though. North Korea is very popular there. A lot of the most rightwing South Koreans now live in the USA but post in Korean on Korean forums.
in the asian diaspora communities i hung out in as a kid, being poor was close to being a moral failure, second to being uneducated.
i can only speak for the chinese communities with regards to chud/based ratios, but they say that tiananmen essentially turned all the students who were in a position to care at the time either into maoist ultras or gigachuds, with very few in between. i figure the people who would willingly emigrate are pretty self-selecting.
I've known younger second generation Korean Americans who were cool but since moving back every single thirty- or forty-something Korean immigrant we've spoken with has been like a fucking creationist. These people exist in South Korea but they are generally viewed as absurd there. Like I said, my wife is a Berner and that's pretty moderate in South Korea.
Like all countries, the bourgeoisie diaspora isn’t reflective of the population overall, but I remember being in college (this was a long time ago) and all the Korean students whether they grew up here or in Korea were super religious psychos. This is mostly women in my experience certainly isn’t reflective; but there always seemed to be more diversity of thought with other nationalities. It always just struck me as unique and interesting
There is probably much more diversity of thought in South Korea itself. Proportionately it actually has a shitload of atheists as well as a huge number of cultural Buddhists who also participate in pretty frequent Confucian / shamanistic cultural rites. The regular Buddhists are pretty "normal" but I spent a lot of time around the monks and found them to be pretty bizarre. They made excellent conversational partners but their ideas were, uh, let's say, hmmm...I once spent an entire semester arguing about the importance of astronomy with a monk who said that it was unimportant because the Buddha had never really mentioned it. I said it was important if we want to, like, not get wiped out by an asteroid, but she didn't care. Still, we were friends.
Yeah, of course. I’ve met Koreans outside of the US when I’ve been abroad and found them to be normal and interesting to talk to. It’s my experience inside the US lol.
For real, South Korea's a whole lot fucking nicer to live in than the U.S. then again I think nearly anywhere else is nicer than the U.S.
But shit, the food's cheap and nutritious, healthcare's cheap and high quality, the booze is damn near free-flowing although it's hard to find any good liquor over there, folks there tend to be polite and honest, and there's always a place to hike or stroll leisurely just a stone's throw away.
My only gripes that their state actively persecutes communists, their perception of western food's like way too fucking sugar filled - like shit I thought American food was filled with sugar and shit but their American food's literally tooth rotting sweet but without the heart clogging oiliness and the dumptrucks worth of saltiness.
Also their national sport is gaming, and you know how I feel about gamers.
Yeah I couldn't stand eating American food while I was there. There was no Mexican food, either! I actually really got into the Korean-style pizzas though. Pizza with potatoes, corn, even mayo—that shit is fucking amazing. (The mayo love is my whiteness talking.) I ate almost nothing but Korean food though while I was there since it's so good, healthy, and cheap.
For real for real. I loved eating over there but I missed treating my body like utter dogshit with American processed foods once in a while lmao.
Y'know the only pizza I had over there was this sorta Frenchy styled pizza that said it used a sweetened red wine reduction as the marinara and used brie cheese, garlic, and some other French shit to balance out the sweetness, and other than the fact I think they just used grape jelly that pizza was fucking lit. It all balanced out and made a great harmony of sweet and savory that a normal pizza joint could make casually.
Did you get a chance to go to the fish markets? Or even to the coastal villages/towns? Last time I went I got to go see the eastern sea and got to pick out fresh fish to make sashimi out of. Like I thought I've had fresh good fish before, living in Alaska and catching my own shit lol, but fuck me there's a literal whole ocean of flavors out there that you can only experience when you're downing a glass of makgeolli and breathing is the fresh salty air.
Yes, I lived in Gyeongsangdo so we ate all kinds of fish, raw and otherwise, all the time. Going on a hike and drinking makgeolli at the top of a mountain in a little shack with pajeon was just the best. And yeah, we went to all kinds of smaller towns with amazing restaurants. Generally the shittier they looked, the better the food was. As a lib I was actually desperate to leave Korea because I couldn't stand the mild annoyance of being a privileged ethnic minority but now of course I miss it.
Lmao you know when I came back I tried to bring some makgeolli with me, but because of how their bottles are designed they all exploded in my bag and I found out they don't like being stored sideways. Thankfully that all happened the day before I had to take the flight back so I had another drinking party with my family over there.
Shit one of the finest and weirder things I did was hiking through Sinheungsa temple at the base of Seoraksan mountain and finding a little coffee shop that's home to one of the world's internationally recognized masters of coffee brewing. Just spending the half hour watching him make a cup of coffee and enjoying it was one of the highlights of that day, besides hiking up the trails and seeing the clear reflecting ponds surrounded by those spikey mountains.
Damn. I never made it out there. But I did know a cafe owner who was unusually obsessed with coffee. He had like a bunch of special and unique roasting machines which were made in Germany and he also planned to expand his business all over the world, even though my wife said that he owed everyone in town a lot of money. He would slurp his coffee so quickly it would almost make a whistling sound. His cafe was good but expensive. Two people could go through more than $50 there just drinking a few cups of coffee and eating some bread. We were supposed to tutor his entire staff in English which would have been an amazing gig but after meeting with him and seemingly having a decent time he never followed up with us.
A lot of the most rightwing South Koreans now live in the USA but post in Korean on Korean forums.
This is like super fucking common among PoC communities living in the USA who recently immigrated into the USA lmao
We discuss it all the time but we don't really want to work there again. Overall, quality of life is better than in America, but working conditions are intense, let's say. We would die to go to Vietnam or Cuba but even if those countries would accept us there's issues involved with displacing or exploiting the people who already live there. We might give China a try. Actually, the only thing really holding me back from applying to some jobs there is the pollution. We would love to go almost anywhere, but since Americans are plague rats it's not so easy to move around. On a "Racism in Korea" facebook page I follow I just saw that a Vietnamese student I knew posted a picture of a gym which said it isn't accepting foreigners now because of covid.
Nope. Haven’t felt this demoralized in a while. A lot of the demoralization comes from seeing my white lib friends assimilating all these issues into their lib US domestic reference frame while ignoring the fact that anti-Asian racism and sinophobia have a lot to do with the bipartisan from-fash-to-succdem geopolitical posturing of the US (arguably since the “manifest destiny” years, using Asian labor to convert stolen Indian land into commodities, only to rein in on these laborers through the “yellow peril” fearmongering).
It kinda shows that in the eyes of my lib friends, I’m just some poor minority that needs help and benevolence in order to better assimilate to their US imperialism. It feels suffocating.
Even when they mention stuff like Vietnam and Japanese Internment they don't go enough into the full effects (See the utter destruction of Japanese agricultural techniques in the Central Valley in California)
I would hate that patronizing. I already get some of it as a Jew, I would say Anglo western whites think they can especially do that kind of shit with East Asian. It really can be slimy
I think some of us have been mentally preparing for this day for a while now but obviously it still hurts when it happens.
Hopefully diaspora Asians come together as a community and actually take some steps towards solidarity this time.
left the country a while back partly in anticipation of this kind of thing happening. didn't think i would be proven right like this.
it is very frustrating to watch this sort of thing happen and feel like there are no concrete actions you can take to help.
Not (East) Asian but it kind of gives me unpleasant memories of my school years when tensions with Iran were coming to a head, sort of like China is being painted as the bogeyman now. Didn't help that I was pretty vocal about my opposition to it and had a noticeably different name (to the point where I was in an identity crisis of needing to prove my "American-ness"). Both the social pressure and the feeling of hopelessness of inevitable war, with a country I had relatives in, really ate at me.
I realize that's all small potatoes compared to the worry of being shot by some chud, though, which makes me worry how Asian-American kids who are now at that same impressionable age are coping with it.
The accelerated decline of the fascist american regime has exposed the sham that is a big portion of "anglo-leftism". Societies in decay at every level clinging to propaganda and petty personal privileges funded by the most brutal crimes against humanity. Absent the ability to compete, americans want to perpetuate imperialism to make up for it. These people will rot in history as fundamental enemies of humanity, their societies have no future.
What can you expect of people living under a regime that needed a total genocide of entire civilizations and slavery to develop, and which has been at war its entire history? these people don't realize how imperialism has concealed the incompetence and inferiority of their system, which can no longer be sustained. Many americans are in denial about how this reality, hence their insistence on clinging to propaganda.
Hate to admit it, but I mentally checked out months ago. The Asian immigrant communities in my area are very anticommunist and all this shit is just gonna make them double down. Also been seriously fucking worried since last year about manufactured interracial tensions (i.e. the rooftop Koreans bs) -- just feel really cynical about everything these days. Libs being libs, chuds being chuds -- hard to stay sane about it all.
I totally feel you. I feel the only way our communities will respond to this is with more policing. It's pretty awful knowing that going outside, half of America is content with you being dead, and the other half of the people who belong to your community are just boba libs. Or if they're old, they think you're some spoiled American kid who's been reading too many books with no real life experience.
No actually, I was listening to the : https://hatecrimefiles.podbean.com/
I just felt like I had to ask after hearing about how sick some bigots and xenophobes can be. Now is a hard time especially to be an Asian American. I wanted them to know we are all in solidarity
I didn’t want that to come off as blasé, sorry if I sounded like I was speaking in bad faith. To be straightforward I literally wrote that comment 10 minutes after finishing the episode. Just the vibe of this post was prescient to me. It was basically a rhetorical question and I answered it. Check out the ep, I enjoyed it.
I will for sure check out the episode. You should check the podcast I linked in general lots of stories on there of people that deserve to heard and deserved better from life. He doesn’t just cover the usual high-profile hate crimes
