Yeah that shit is getting out of hand. Like if you're calling the people defending their right to ancestral fishing territory in Canada barbarians you can fuck aaaaaalllll the way off.
Maybe don't use culture as a shield to deflect from the issue at hand (cruelty)? If a group practiced human sacrifice would you defend that just because it was their "ancestral right"?
Tell me how indigenous people in Northern Canada should sustainably live off of the land without consuming any animal products.
Notice how you derail the discussion by concern trolling about "sustainability", instead of arguing against what I actually said.
Honestly, if we found an uncontacted culture somewhere that practices human sacrifice among themselves, I wouldn't support Westerners intervening to stop it.
Okay, you want to go teach the Sentinel islanders the virtues of veganism? Absolutist positions like this are absurd.
I answered your question straightforwardly. Now tell me how indigenous people in Northern Canada should sustainably live off of the land without consuming any animal products.
It is a fact that the world will have to go vegan. If living off the land is a must, then I don't have a solution for you. But if living off the land necessitates suffering, maybe investing in infrastructure that enables an alternative lifestyle is preferable. But no, that would be "cultural genocide".
Nah it's because a lot of these vegan posts are straying into super racist territory. And I was defending you guys last night in this post https://hexbear.net/post/94298. I almost regret it except that the person also started telling people to self harm.
Maybe focus on the industrial commercial fisheries instead of bullying indigenous people off the site? Get your priorities straight.
got banned for pointing out the material limitations on veganism in the arctic circle, including increased carbon footprints.
Said that while pointing out factory farming needs to be stopped and I go days at a time without buying/eating meat.
The comm is overran by utopian idealists pretending they are the real Marxists who are saving the earth.
Actually understand what the fuck indigenous people believe and stop being a chauvinist challenge (impossible)
"animals are mindless creatures whose suffering is acceptable because the legal definition of 'murder' is limited to humans" I see we've reached the stage of haranguing about what the dictionary definition of a word is instead of actually addressing the issue
This shit is getting ridiculous and isn't funny anymore. Fucking knock it off.
jesus fucking christ
ban this person from the whole fucking site
Damn, can't imagine why some of our indigenous comrades feel uncomfortable around here. Complete mystery.
assimilate.
What the actual fuck. How the fuck is this person on here. Unfucking believable
At this point it seems clear to me that at least some of the mods/admins/whatever agree with this kind of shit. We've seen people get booted from the site for being reactionary, and if talking about forcibly assimilating indigenous peoples to "evolve" their culture isn't reactionary rhetoric then I don't know what is.
What the actual fuck. I log off for the first time today to go for a long drive for work and we have people talking about "assimilating" indigenous people and culture. Fucking Christ no wonder BIPOC comrades have DM'ed me about leaving the site. Unacceptable.
If you think something is bad, you'll think it's bad regardless of who or what culture does that thing.
Vegans never initiate these conversations about indigenous tribes though. It's obviously not where efforts are necessary or high priority. And if you look at the definition of veganism from the Vegan Society it explicitly states "as far as is possible and practicable". So if your comeback is "but they can't do really do anything else" then you're not actually in full disagreement. The idea that vegans are bad because they're focused on stopping the indigenous way of life needs to stop.
Vegans never initiate these conversations
We literally did not have a problem between the vegans and larger community on this website for 8 months until the VCJ community was onboarded and immediately we get a 10 day long struggle session. Vegans were present and doing a bit of bullying all over the site the whole time without problems.
8 months of harmony, but now at least 2 of our indigenous users loudly quit and everyone is mad. Something changed.
Oh, I didn't mean vegans don't initiate difficult conversations, I only meant that about indigenous tribes.
This isn't even really a struggle session at this point. Vegans aren't gonna convince everyone else that animals deserve human rights, and everyone else aren't gonna convince vegans that animals don't deserve human rights.
You don't have to believe "animals deserve human rights" (ie: give the same amount of moral consideration when it comes to humans and non-human animals) to think we shouldn't kill them for food. You can believe in a hierarchy, be speciesist, and still think it's bad to kill animals or cause them needless suffering (most people would say they're against animal abuse in general, this is just applying that concept to food, clothing, etc.).
