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The biggest flaw that I see with this current system, apart from the fact that it flat out sucks, is that the AI can "opt out" of driving at any time without notice. There's a big difference between maintaining a constant level of engagement and control over your vehicle vs suddenly having to make a split second decision when a buzzer goes off.
I'm sure that Tesla has designed it that way, so that as soon as the AI detects some risk of making a bad decision it shuts down and shifts the responsibility onto the driver. But this basically means that you have to be 100% focused on the activity of the car at all times. So to use the AI properly, you need to act as though it's not even there, but of course what's really going to happen is that people are just going to use it improperly and Tesla can say that it's the drivers fault when crashes occur.
yeah it is SO much harder to make a correction when you weren't already in control
The future: Tesla cars veering into traffic because their driver was behind on loan payments.
Train gang stay winning.
Fully automated since 1981.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_train_systems
I was wondering how far back I could say we've had a better alternative of automated travel lol
Tesla: Plows into a crowd of pedestrians and murders 10 people
Bootlickers: So awesome. You get SO MUCH DATA like this. They're going to figure this out. Good work @Tesla
Big problem here is that they're probably not going to be able to train the software without massive amounts of real driving conditions. Doing it in a parking lot at the office won't work. Obstacle courses also won't work. You need all the chaos that comes with real driving. And even then it's going to be constant false-positives in terms of braking or swerving. I've used software before and that's all these people are, software developers. If candycrush can't get it right all the time, why the fuck leave it up to an app while driving? Plus the traffic laws are slightly different in every state. Some states you can turn on red, some you can't. You can't even standardize the learning once you've cracked it in NV or CA. You have to train the cars in each state. 10 cars training in each state is 500 cars. That's not even a representative sample of everything drivers encounter. It's a statistics problem that you can't brute force in any reasonable amount of time.
I suspect they'll fudge everything enough to get the rate of accidents down somewhere slightly above normal traffic. Then they'll just expand their legal department to be bigger than their engineering department if it's not already. Every time someone tries to sue they'll blame the driver or pedestrian. This is exactly what happened when cars were invented anyways. We've already been here. It'll be the individual's fault not the fault of the new technology. Then we'll just be okay with that idea and blame pedestrians for being too stupid to not get killed by a murderbot car. Years later the car accident deaths will go up and we'll just argue about it until nobody cares anymore. By then we'll probably be dead anyways.
This shit sucks.
Will the AI evade potholes? Because that's going to ruin your car pretty quickly if it doesn't. Also imagine letting your AI overtake another car, or a truck, in the night lmao.
They will never get it to work well no matter what they do because they insist on only the optical camera sensor. I work in this industry (but with busses), it is the accepted understanding that there will never be enough data from a camera and it will always be ambiguous and too much noise. Investor and Tech bro want to pretend they can defeat physics but they are wrong. Optical radar and radar are both very common and it is normal to combine as many sensor as possible to not miss anything.
This is one of the big reasons that I really liked the game Watch Dogs Legion. The game has self-driving cars in it, and they make a point of saying that the cars can't operate alone, they essentially need a massive network of surveillance drones on every street, and it turns out those surveillance drones can also, like, do surveillance and shit.
I don't know what the fuck is wrong with SV dudebros who insist on fighting physics, it's so stupid, and this is far from the only case. Colossal waste of resources.
oh come on, all they need to is continuously solve multiple technologically difficult problems in an infinite variety of unpredictable scenarios with a perfect success rate at the risk of injuring or killing dozens of people every minute. how hard could it be? Especially with the typically error-free process of enterprise software development.
Love all the Tesla simps in the comments. "It's a BETA, doofus, of course it's going to hit a pedestrian or two 🙄"
Big fan of the Steam Early Access games experience coming to traffic.
That shits pre-alpha lol, it's nowhere near beta status in software terms.
A person that has never driven a car before could do a better job in practically any automatic modern car.
yeah people seem to just be good at that sort of thing. And if you really need automated travel it turns out we already have a great system on our hands for that.
Yeah I have to drive a manual with a heavy clutch so it's harder to drive in traffic, but perfectly doable with practice. AI is just not good with dealing with such a dynamic and fluid situation like driving through a city like this.
It seems like car companies wouldn't want to be liable for every car crash that happens as well. They either have to get it perfect or get sued a lot. They'll probably compromise and make their shit not working and killing people not their legal responsibility somehow.
They'll just do what Tesla did, false advertise it as self driving with the technicality that the driver must be able to take over at any point in time.
So you either have to disable auto pilot and then brake or swerve or whatever or manual just takes over when you interact with a thing and then you can just randomly brake, speed up or turn by accidentally touching a pedal or the wheel. This makes sense.
Almost like the road and car infrastructure has over a century of innovation/development along the lines of people driving the cars. Almost like without that century of development of car based infrastructure, driving would be even more dangerous. Almost like maybe, cars are a terrible mode of transportation considering over a century of millions of humans have worked to make them safer and they're still one of the leading causes of death.
-turning point train 2021
That's sad because realistically a self driving car is the besr option for me to have that freedom and independence. Not to brag but, with my disability I'm a freaking danger to society if I were to drive a 2 ton death machines.
I'd love it if public transportation was a real option with both our current infrastructure and my medical needs but well..
It will come sooner than Tesla as they are not the leader or even really in the race. Consumers and investors see them a lot but it is a scam.
Yeah, at my old job i had to drive all of the time, but it absolutely fucked with my head because i get overwhelmed when i remind myself that im in charge of a giant pile of steel thats moving at 80 kph.
As a narcoleptic, It's one inconvenient sleep attack for me and who knows what can happen
It's probably an option that will be available to you in your lifetime (If you can afford it ^TM). The major companies are slower to adopt than Tesla, but their product will be safer and more robust.
It's coming eventually, question is will it be in 5, 10, or 15 years from now
just watch, when they finally realize there's no way to make these things safe on normal city streets, they're going to lobby for contracts to build Smart Roads™ that conveniently include even more ubiquitous surveillance technologies.
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