link cos not lib: https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/17lmwud/tell_me_who_your_friends_are_and_i_will_tell_you/

  • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    China supports Palestine; The World Uyghur Congress supports Israel.

    Wait... That can't be...

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    flipping intensifies

  • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Turkey is a fucking NATO member, which makes them the USA friend, you goggle-eyed insult to the concept of sapience

    • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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      1 year ago

      NATO-Stan dorks usually see Turkey as the NATO family's misbehaved step child who's only at Thanksgiving out of obligation. They don't REALLY count as NATO.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      White people are just extremely mad that they have to rely on brown muslims who wrecked their empire to defend their treats so they conveniently forget that they align with the west just out of sheer racism.

  • heartheartbreak [fae/faer]
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    1 year ago

    I know somebody who was recently arrested and charged with felonies for protesting and the cops themselves couldn't stop mentioning the gays in Palestine thing in between homophobic rants.

    These morons are literally the institutions of violence against gays and also think it's hypocritical for gay people to stand with enemies of the US

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      1 year ago

      it has the tenor of a jilted lover. "the removeds want hamas to beat them up? what's wrong with the way we're beating them up? our slurs and cells not good enough for you?"

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    1 year ago

    Reminder that serveral places (and growing) in the USA have banned queer people and womans autonomy.

    You had stories about trans people fleeing Florida like 2 months ago, "bootybae1989".

    Also Russia is a fucking capitalist country that is only the way it is now because of US meddling. Putin and the oligarchy are a product of that Western capitalist "freedom" the CIA forced on them.

    • Beaver [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      You had stories about trans people fleeing Florida like 2 months ago, "bootybae1989".

      "Why don't the blue states just take them?" morshupls

  • join_the_iww [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Russia supports Hamas; Ukraine supports Israel.

    This in particular stands out as extremely questionable, if not just outright false.

    Netanyahu and Putin have been fairly friendly for a long while, and Israel has in many ways sided with Russia since the invasion of Ukraine in 2022 (continuing diplomatic relations with Russia when many countries broke off with them, not sanctioning Russia, not sending weapons to Ukraine, etc).

    Both Ukraine and Russia have formally condemned the settlements, and Israel has gotten butthurt about it in both cases. Russia is somewhat more aggressive about reaching a two-state solution and making concessions to the Palestinians than Ukraine is, but it’s not a huge difference.

    It’s fairly complicated, but overall I don’t think either Ukraine or Russia can be said to be more supportive of Israel (or of Palestine) than the other one is. Israel has a lukewarm relationship with both. There are no strong contrasts to be made here.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine%E2%80%93Ukraine_relations

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Ukraine_relations

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93Russia_relations

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine%E2%80%93Russia_relations

    • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Ukraine wants to be "Big Israel".

      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel

    • Dessa [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Ukraine is also jealous of Israel right now for getting the monetary support of the ghouls-based international order

  • ZapataCadabra [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    The Iranian liberation activists sounds like the most NED funded CIA op ever created.

      • reddit [any,they/them]
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        1 year ago

        The ratio of how funny I find that term and the number of people I can share it with might be the highest out of every terminally online brainworm I have. I am going to remember the word "gushahnos" in the middle of a work meeting and laugh uncontrollably

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Hey what's the Venn diagram of countries that support Israel and countries that harbored Nazis and Japanese war criminals after WW2

  • CrushKillDestroySwag
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    1 year ago

    China doesn't support Hamas, they issued the most milquetoast centrist "we support a two state solution and not killing civilians" statement imaginable.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      China doesn't support Hamas but it did call for a ceasefire and for the implementation of the Two State Solution.

      Whatever your opinions are on the Two State Solution (two Palestines seems excessive to me), it's fundamentally unacceptable to the Zionist regime which de facto puts China into the camp opposing Israel.

      China also supported the UNSC ceasefire resolutions that were vetoed by the US.

    • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Reminds me of a video by Ben Shapiro where he harshly criticizes Obama's message about the genocide; Obama's message was hugely pro-Israel and what criticisms there were, were the most milquetoast criticisms I'd ever heard. Shapiro on the other hand was treating this ridiculously mild and occasional criticism as just basically scathing antisemitism.

        • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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          1 year ago

          i mean and it goes both ways: shapiro is a dishwater dull conservative talking head, so anything obama said would have been Abandoning Israel. Just like how Trump's support of Israel was condemned by libs who are cheering from even more evil policies from Biden.

  • Kuori [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    "haha yeah why don't you [slur]s go to Nonwhitesville and see how they like your [slur] ass there!"

    meanwhile, life as a queer person in the united states: this-is-fine

      • Kuori [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        i will walk outside and welcome the bombs with open arms

  • MF_COOM [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Read the Hamas charter. There is nothing about freedom or the pursuit of happiness anywhere.

        • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          yea I picked up the habit to prevent libs from having an easy "well ackshuallynerd"

          • Kuori [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            fuck 'em, that's one you don't have to hedge on. the 13th amendment is explicit here: "slavery is banned EXCEPT AS PUNISHMENT" means exactly what it means.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      If Hamas had a clause that banned housing soldiers, they wouldn’t be using civilians as human shields and Israel wouldn’t have to kill all of them

  • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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    1 year ago

    "Iranian Liberation Activists support Israel!"

    Said "liberation activists" being the last Shah's Failson who most Iranians could not give two shits about, a handful of monarchist gusanos in LA and Toronto and some useful morons who actual Iranian dissenters distance themselves from.

  • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    The "western mindset," build around the highest of the Greco-Roman and Judeo-Christian ideals, is what has allowed the world to prosper. Even the most recent humanist ideals are built upon those western ideals.

    The reason western ideals are not working is that people have abandoned them. Resentment and self-imposed victimization have taken the place of gratitude and accountability. I know I sound like I'm 900 years old, but the reality of that hasn't changed.

    True westernism has never been tried.

    How do these people believe this stuff beyond like 6th grade? There's no such thing as Greco-Roman ideals, those were slave societies operated by pedophiles and they were in direct conflict with both Jews and Christians. "Judeo-Christian" has never been a thing outside of maybe Jesus himself. Even to the extent that Greece and Rome had specific ideologies, modern people would find them pretty alien. Like they had no concept of biological race, homosexuality was frequently considered superior to being hetero, and religious belief was explicitly syncretic and flexible.

    Yeah sure all we have to do is imitate the reign of Elagabalus or and this will make western imperialism stop somehow. These nerds are the worst

    • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Wait until they realize that Marxism is "western". Not to mention that westerners gag upon hearing anything that remotely sounds like it was written by Thomas Paine.

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Leslie Feinberg, Judith Butler, Gayle Rubin, and Michel Foucault are also all western and yet they're mortal enemies of the whole return to tradition fascists. They also have to concoct wild conspiracies to dismiss the entire field of sociology

    • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Judeo-Christian

      I would argue that the alignment of Christian evangelicals and Jewish Zionists constitutes “Judeo-Christian” values, those being settler-colonialism, apartheid and genocide and desire to nuke the entire Middle East

    • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Resentment and self-imposed victimization have taken the place of gratitude and accountability

      Christianity is pretty famous for it's celebration of victimhood

      also are their ideals greco-roman or judeo christian there is quite a bit of conflict there

      • GarfieldYaoi [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        When have westoids ever thanked the global south for anything they have stolen from them?

        When have westoids ever accepted accountability for past crimes against humanity?