i tried searching through some databases and no like actual research reports came up on it, so like can we just use that as a be-all-end-all?
i tried searching through some databases and no like actual research reports came up on it, so like can we just use that as a be-all-end-all?
idk if that kind of thing exists. i did convince a lib on reddit the other day simply by pointing out "no muslim country in the world agrees with the idea that there is a genocide happening in china, why is it that the only people who care about muslims are white christian countries with a history of brutally slaughtering muslims?"
and thats really the strongest narrative for the truth right now. if there was a genocide against muslims, wouldn't there be at least one muslim country that would acknowledge it? why isn't there currently? make the genocide narrative people explain to you why no muslim countries agree with their narrative
I have tried this, and they just retort that all of those countries must be in China's pocket for economic reasons and helping them cover it up.
A good one is just talking about yemen. "If these politicians care about human rights so much, there's something very easy they can do: stop selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, stop giving Saudi Arabia intelligence, etc. American arm companies have made 13 billion dollars off of the Yemen war. 20 million Yemenis need human rights assistance according to the UN. But they don't. So I don't really trust that they genuinely care about those other Muslims." Denying a purported genocide looks to the regular person similar to holocaust denial. It's a lot easier to be like "look, idk what's going on over there, but there's another group of Muslims that western countries could help much easier, but they don't. They should. Why don't they? Isn't that weird?"
This is the only answer that does it for me personally. As someone who's very cautious to jump to conclusions, I basically have given up understanding what's going on (maybe the propaganda got to me?) But luckily I can be 100% sure that A. America genocides muslims every day and B. if China is genociding muslims too there's nothing we can reasonably do and C. if an action should be taken, it should be to stop US militarism. This is why I've tried not to get wrapped up in this struggle session, because I think any leftist can unite behind this idea.
Of course this logic assumes that you don't actively support bombing the middle east.
The best thing is that the "camps" were all shut down like a year and a half ago anyways so it's not even like it's a current problem...
There was some internal pushback against them and the XAR government switched from detention to poverty relief, jobs programs, and education. Which is why you see the narrative pivoting to things like "these people have jobs at cotton plantations and cotton is genocide".
Most of them do that, but every now and again the person you're talking to will go, "wow, yeah, that doesnt actually make any sense. maybe im being lied to." and even if you dont directly convince the person you're speaking to, there are tons of other people who will see that exchange and look into it
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At that point they're just racist as fuck and theres not much you can do about them.
Tbh it is extremely unlikely to change the mind of the person you are arguing against, especially in the debate itself. The best you can hope for is convincing bystanders and maybe planting a seed in the arguers mind.