However Karl's own thesis describes the material - known as shota - as a genre of self-published erotic comics that feature 'young boy characters in a cute or, most often, sexually explicit way'.
:libertarian-approaching:
However Karl's study even thanks his PhD supervisor Dr Sharon Kinsella - who herself specialises in 'Lolita complex subcultures' at the university - for 'always encouraging him to go where his research takes him'.
:ancap-good:
Some parents were unable to even finish the study's introduction and described the contents 'unspeakably grim' as it documents pleasuring himself in great detail while discussing 'pubescent boys' and 'the period of puberty'.
:libertarian-alert:
This guy needs help before it goes any further
Found a link to the actual study, CW defence of pedo stuff and actual pedo stuff
You can't just do sociology at people you like. If you do that you'll never figure things out. You've got to try to disassemble the weird outliers and figure out why they do what they do, even if they're gross.
Her student being a weird pervert is not enough to hang her over. It's entirely possible that he sought her out because of her area of expertise and she wasn't aware what he was doing. Professors and their PhD students can range from being close friends to barely ever seeing each other to actively loathing each other.
anthropologists having sex with research participants
in order to understand a certain practice, such as anonymous sex (Langarita Adiego, 2019:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321773614_On_sex_in_fieldwork_Notes_on_the_methodology_involved_in_the_ethnographic_study_of_anonymous_sex
what the hell
he quotes Foucault multiple times :agony-consuming:
Why the long period and the strict rules of masturbating to only 2D material? Because
ethnographic fieldwork demands such consistency in order to yield results in the form of a
‘thick description’(Geertz, 1973) of the field. It was therefore imperative that I kept living
within my own 2D world during this sexual fieldwork, without resorting to my usual 3D
material, which I sometimes longed for. In that sense, I felt like I was in the physical field
of another culture. I could relate to Malinowski, who during his time among the Tro-
brianders often felt a ‘longing for civilization’(Malinowski, 1989: 148), or for his own
culture as we would say today. 3D is my culture, just like milk and muesli is my breakfast,
and not fish and miso soup, which you might be served for breakfast at a traditional ryokan
in Japan. I can enjoy both, but I think I will never overcome my preference –I wonder if
any of us truly can. And so, it was necessary to be diligent enough to abstain from the
‘milk and muesli’of porn during this experiment, in order to see what happened to my
body on a long diet of ‘fish and miso soup’.
The three months of masturbation to shota comics resulted in 30 entries in my notebook.
Since this essay focuses on the method as such, I will only recount the main findings
briefly and in regards to whether they helped me get closer to understanding the ex-
perience of my research participants.
Excerpt from my field diary after reading a dojinshi by Shigeru from the ‘circle’,or dojinshi group, Shonen Zoom:
incredibly vile description of child pornography
Started reading on the toilet: Boy who is staying with relatives happens to see his same-age
friend masturbate. He can’t let go of this sight ... I continued in bed, arranged the pillows until
I was in a comfortable position, a bit ceremonial. ... The boy is now observing Tokio-kun
through the window, on the veranda, while jerking off. He slips on the snow and is dis-
covered. Tokio-kun angry, but also excited even as he keeps repeating ‘I’m not homo!’. The
boy who has admitted to everything has nothing to lose, so he throws himself over Tokio-kun
and starts sniffing his cock and licking his smooth balls, and while waiting for the shot I
came! (10 September 2021)
His argument for why he should do this is just straight up gross
CW, justification for pedo stuff
The solution had been there all along, printed in plain language in the interviews –I had just not seen it so clearly. Because no matter how my research participants’ takes on shota differed in terms of favourite theme, preferred age and style of characters, how they related their own selves to the story, and so on, they had one thing in common: almost all of them said that they masturbated to shota material. I tried to inquire about the details of these masturbation sessions, but it was hard to know what to ask, and the conversation sometimes stalled. In addition, it would have been impossible for me to grasp how the intellectual reasoning, for example, of entering an alternative past, was connected to the bodily sensation of masturbation without me ‘doing it’myself. Audre Lorde (1997: 282) has written: ‘The erotic cannot be felt secondhand.’ Indeed. And so I realized that my body was equipped with a research tool of its own that could give me, quite literally, a first-hand understanding of shota
This is all also almost entirely a fucking lie when it comes to how he portrays himself as some kinda clueless Dante figure being lead through this weird sexual landscape, he's been trying to normalize child porn for literally 10+ years including running several magazines about publishing softcore child porn with pictures of actual children, he has absolutely jerked off to children before and did not just suddenly discover he has a dick in his pants in the course of running this joke of a study.
This is the fringe of "L E T P E O P L E E N J O Y T H I N G S" that I will continue to argue against, no matter how many times I get "touch grass" chanted at me. :downbear:
But even on Hexbear, the "it's almost as if it's a drawing" :reddit-logo: take gets brought up, along with the presumptive take of "the treats do not influence behavior in any way and child predators would be child predators with or without child predator treats" which is basically screaming that normalization and hedonic treadmills don't real. :very-intelligent:
This is even a perfect example of how someone who at least nominally started from a position of not being a nonce ended up getting off to and internally normalizing pedo shit by consuming it and socializing with other people who consume it.
I would even go a step further and say that non explicit loli/shota content that's laundered into more mainstream media is even more dangerous, because it's establishing a norm in its consumers and reaching significantly more people while at the same time providing cover for pedo weebs to proselytize and do what they can to normalize it in more shared spaces. It's exactly like the broader way that predatory outlooks on sex and gender relations are shaped through toxic media and socialization in a patriarchal and chauvinist society, including how mainstream a lot of nonce shit like middle aged men lusting after teenage actresses or high school cheerleaders is.
All over the internet, yes including here on Hexbear, the "entertainment has no effect on its consumers" chants are often very loud, especially when it comes to kiddie creeper media.
Normalization don't real.
Hedonic treadmills don't real.
Just don't criticize the treats no matter what they are and let people enjoy things, so they say. :so-true: :very-intelligent:
And people always fall back on "well studies have shown playing violent games doesn't make someone more violent" which is just fundamentally misunderstanding how media shapes people's outlooks and social mores. Like in games violence is consequence free and usually done by professional violence doers, whether legally sanctioned or fitting into accepted archetypes, so the real impact is the values that are shown: things like glorifying police or soldiers, reinforcing established tropes about violent authorized heroes saving the day, etc. So obviously just consuming stuff that's saying "it's ok when the narratively legitimate violence guys do violence" isn't going to make someone go on a rampage because that's not how that works (but they're more likely to be biased towards thinking that it is legitimate when the officially sanctioned violence man does violence). It only becomes directly dangerous when they get socialized into thinking that they themselves are the legitimate violence man, and that has way more to do with social interaction and far-right radicalization pipelines. And that's not even getting into other toxic things that video games teach, like entrepreneur worship, exponential economic growth or wealth acquisition, great man thinking, and other liberal brainworms.
just going to go ahead and spoiler the paragraph about how that relates to media normalizing sexual violence and nonce shit
Meanwhile stuff like attraction to particular features is definitely related to socialization (as evidenced by how what is considered attractive in terms of clothing, body type, grooming habits, mannerisms, etc shifts over the years), and for a lot of people that socialization is already toxic because it's built on generations of media produced in a patriarchal and chauvinist culture that only fairly recently has even started trying to tone down and/or contradict its normalization of sexual or domestic violence. So someone who's been taught "it's ok to understand other people as nothing but objects of lust" by their socialization is someone who is already on the verge of being dangerous, and normalizing children as an object of their lust on top of that only exacerbates that. I believe the trend of affluent men becoming nonces when given the opportunity is related to that too, like maybe they didn't start from a place of clinically being pedophiles but their predatory outlook, personal power and security, and the normalization of children as acceptable targets for their lust by their social circle and even the media in general (and that used to be a lot worse and a lot more explicit too, like all the infamous middle aged and elderly nonces would have been young men at a time when child porn was still legal and the sexualization of children and/or young teens was even more pronounced in the media) continues shaping them until they act on it when given the opportunity by the Epstein's of the world.
Call of Duty alone might have been a massive recruitment boost. But entertainment has no effect on its consumers, ever. Unlike commercials, because that's different. :very-intelligent:
What you say makes sense and fits the data at a comprehensive level, but that's also why it will be probably ignored for the most part. Let people enjoy things touch grass etc etc.
All over the internet, yes including here on Hexbear, the “entertainment has no effect on its consumers” chants are often very loud, especially when it comes to kiddie creeper media.
People are affected by advertisement and marketing that they consciously hate but are unaffected by entertainment they personally enjoy and find nonthreatening apparently.
The moment the entertainment switches to a commercial, the manipulation begins. As soon as the commercial ends and the entertainment program returns, there is no further influence. :galaxy-brain:
:libertarian-approaching:
:ancap-good:
:libertarian-alert:
This guy needs help before it goes any further
Found a link to the actual study, CW defence of pedo stuff and actual pedo stuff
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/360206602_I_am_not_alone_-_we_are_all_alone_Using_masturbation_as_an_ethnographic_method_in_research_on_shota_subculture_in_Japan
Mao was too lenient towards academics.
I actually think studying those people is good. Bering a pedo is not good.
You can't just do sociology at people you like. If you do that you'll never figure things out. You've got to try to disassemble the weird outliers and figure out why they do what they do, even if they're gross.
Her student is jacking off to cartoon child porn and shouting her out in the description, I'm pretty sure they ARE the weird outliers.
Her student being a weird pervert is not enough to hang her over. It's entirely possible that he sought her out because of her area of expertise and she wasn't aware what he was doing. Professors and their PhD students can range from being close friends to barely ever seeing each other to actively loathing each other.
Ahh yes let's study cartoon child porn. Amazing. Not
Like I understand studying why people do such things, but this is clearly not that. This is a guy writing about masturbating to cartoons of boys.
holy shit what the fuck is this part
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321773614_On_sex_in_fieldwork_Notes_on_the_methodology_involved_in_the_ethnographic_study_of_anonymous_sex what the hell
he quotes Foucault multiple times :agony-consuming:
kill him :fash-bash: :stalin-gun-1:
incredibly vile description of child pornography
Started reading on the toilet: Boy who is staying with relatives happens to see his same-age friend masturbate. He can’t let go of this sight ... I continued in bed, arranged the pillows until I was in a comfortable position, a bit ceremonial. ... The boy is now observing Tokio-kun through the window, on the veranda, while jerking off. He slips on the snow and is dis- covered. Tokio-kun angry, but also excited even as he keeps repeating ‘I’m not homo!’. The boy who has admitted to everything has nothing to lose, so he throws himself over Tokio-kun and starts sniffing his cock and licking his smooth balls, and while waiting for the shot I came! (10 September 2021)
thats it im not reading anymore kill him
I'm sorry. I did warn people with the CW though
Be glad you didn't read further
Well, you can't say he didn't understand the source material.
:agony-deep:
he says hes an expert in visual anthropology :jesus-christ:
His argument for why he should do this is just straight up gross
CW, justification for pedo stuff
The solution had been there all along, printed in plain language in the interviews –I had just not seen it so clearly. Because no matter how my research participants’ takes on shota differed in terms of favourite theme, preferred age and style of characters, how they related their own selves to the story, and so on, they had one thing in common: almost all of them said that they masturbated to shota material. I tried to inquire about the details of these masturbation sessions, but it was hard to know what to ask, and the conversation sometimes stalled. In addition, it would have been impossible for me to grasp how the intellectual reasoning, for example, of entering an alternative past, was connected to the bodily sensation of masturbation without me ‘doing it’myself. Audre Lorde (1997: 282) has written: ‘The erotic cannot be felt secondhand.’ Indeed. And so I realized that my body was equipped with a research tool of its own that could give me, quite literally, a first-hand understanding of shota
:hillary-disgust:
:doomjak:
This is all also almost entirely a fucking lie when it comes to how he portrays himself as some kinda clueless Dante figure being lead through this weird sexual landscape, he's been trying to normalize child porn for literally 10+ years including running several magazines about publishing softcore child porn with pictures of actual children, he has absolutely jerked off to children before and did not just suddenly discover he has a dick in his pants in the course of running this joke of a study.
invoking audre lorde as justification for THIS is some real hellworld shit :jesus-christ: : :agony-limitless:
Yeah it's uhhhhhhh
This is the fringe of "L E T P E O P L E E N J O Y T H I N G S" that I will continue to argue against, no matter how many times I get "touch grass" chanted at me. :downbear:
I don't think being against cartoon porn of children should be a fringe position. Even if the cartoons are fictional it's deranged behaviour.
No arguments here.
But even on Hexbear, the "it's almost as if it's a drawing" :reddit-logo: take gets brought up, along with the presumptive take of "the treats do not influence behavior in any way and child predators would be child predators with or without child predator treats" which is basically screaming that normalization and hedonic treadmills don't real. :very-intelligent:
This is even a perfect example of how someone who at least nominally started from a position of not being a nonce ended up getting off to and internally normalizing pedo shit by consuming it and socializing with other people who consume it.
I would even go a step further and say that non explicit loli/shota content that's laundered into more mainstream media is even more dangerous, because it's establishing a norm in its consumers and reaching significantly more people while at the same time providing cover for pedo weebs to proselytize and do what they can to normalize it in more shared spaces. It's exactly like the broader way that predatory outlooks on sex and gender relations are shaped through toxic media and socialization in a patriarchal and chauvinist society, including how mainstream a lot of nonce shit like middle aged men lusting after teenage actresses or high school cheerleaders is.
All over the internet, yes including here on Hexbear, the "entertainment has no effect on its consumers" chants are often very loud, especially when it comes to kiddie creeper media.
Normalization don't real.
Hedonic treadmills don't real.
Just don't criticize the treats no matter what they are and let people enjoy things, so they say. :so-true: :very-intelligent:
And people always fall back on "well studies have shown playing violent games doesn't make someone more violent" which is just fundamentally misunderstanding how media shapes people's outlooks and social mores. Like in games violence is consequence free and usually done by professional violence doers, whether legally sanctioned or fitting into accepted archetypes, so the real impact is the values that are shown: things like glorifying police or soldiers, reinforcing established tropes about violent authorized heroes saving the day, etc. So obviously just consuming stuff that's saying "it's ok when the narratively legitimate violence guys do violence" isn't going to make someone go on a rampage because that's not how that works (but they're more likely to be biased towards thinking that it is legitimate when the officially sanctioned violence man does violence). It only becomes directly dangerous when they get socialized into thinking that they themselves are the legitimate violence man, and that has way more to do with social interaction and far-right radicalization pipelines. And that's not even getting into other toxic things that video games teach, like entrepreneur worship, exponential economic growth or wealth acquisition, great man thinking, and other liberal brainworms.
just going to go ahead and spoiler the paragraph about how that relates to media normalizing sexual violence and nonce shit
Meanwhile stuff like attraction to particular features is definitely related to socialization (as evidenced by how what is considered attractive in terms of clothing, body type, grooming habits, mannerisms, etc shifts over the years), and for a lot of people that socialization is already toxic because it's built on generations of media produced in a patriarchal and chauvinist culture that only fairly recently has even started trying to tone down and/or contradict its normalization of sexual or domestic violence. So someone who's been taught "it's ok to understand other people as nothing but objects of lust" by their socialization is someone who is already on the verge of being dangerous, and normalizing children as an object of their lust on top of that only exacerbates that. I believe the trend of affluent men becoming nonces when given the opportunity is related to that too, like maybe they didn't start from a place of clinically being pedophiles but their predatory outlook, personal power and security, and the normalization of children as acceptable targets for their lust by their social circle and even the media in general (and that used to be a lot worse and a lot more explicit too, like all the infamous middle aged and elderly nonces would have been young men at a time when child porn was still legal and the sexualization of children and/or young teens was even more pronounced in the media) continues shaping them until they act on it when given the opportunity by the Epstein's of the world.
I want to know how many people were inspired to join the police or military by FPS games. That's their real potential to cause violence.
Call of Duty alone might have been a massive recruitment boost. But entertainment has no effect on its consumers, ever. Unlike commercials, because that's different. :very-intelligent:
What you say makes sense and fits the data at a comprehensive level, but that's also why it will be probably ignored for the most part. Let people enjoy things touch grass etc etc.
People are affected by advertisement and marketing that they consciously hate but are unaffected by entertainment they personally enjoy and find nonthreatening apparently.
The moment the entertainment switches to a commercial, the manipulation begins. As soon as the commercial ends and the entertainment program returns, there is no further influence. :galaxy-brain:
I'm guessing a lot of people here watch some questionable content in their sacred anime treats
There's often the preface of "I'm not a fan of this treat, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut" :doubt:
"Let people enjoy things" is for like media like a cringe book or movie, not child porm
I've seen it in defense of that, too. It's a general purpose thought terminating cliche.
as comment quoted in the article says
it must be talking about the fashion style right.... :what-the-hell: