• @TheMage@lemmy.ml
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    39
    11 months ago

    More money being pissed away on Ukraine? Wow. That Zalensky guy must have photos of a naked Biden with some White House aide or whatever. This is a joke and a massive abuse of US taxpayer money. When does this end? How is the US benefitting from this? Oh, we aren’t at all. Hmmm. I wonder if there is something behind the scenes going on here? Like some other motive? I mean, it’s the Biden’s….. sort of a shady track record.

    And don’t gimme a bunch of whataboutisms either. Don’t care. This Ukraine thing is a farce. Enough. We’re done.

    • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
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      11 months ago

      How is the US benefitting from this?

      Draining the resources of geopolitical rival without dead troops, weapons exports and lucrative contracts for reconstruction.

      You should read war is a racket https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

      The guy who wrote it, smedley butler, was a highly decorated major general

      Capital loves war which is why the US has been at war for something like 92% of its miserable existence. Of course the average person gets fucked

    • Sasuke [comrade/them]
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      50
      11 months ago

      How is the US benefitting from this?

      well it's making europe reliant on US energy, for one (with all the ramifications that entails)

    • @Fuckass
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      deleted by creator

    • Farman [any]
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      16
      11 months ago

      The high energy prices mean its no longer profitable to run heavy industries in europe. So the us is cannibalizing some of german industry. Thats the profit the us gets.

    • @NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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      11 months ago

      It's kind of funny seeing these kind of comments on Lemmy and playing the "alt-right or tankie" game before you see someones instance.

      What we as the west get from helping Ukriane, is soft power in that it sends a message to other dictators around the world that we won't just sit back and let them plough into another country, and while we might not start WW3 over it, we will support them to make it hard as possible for you.

      • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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        54
        11 months ago

        Maybe you should stop plowing into other countries yourselves, you bloodthirsty psychos.

        • @NuPNuA@lemm.ee
          hexbear
          4
          11 months ago

          The UK hasn't invaded anywhere in almost two decades, what are you waffling about.

          • Bnova [he/him]
            hexbear
            57
            11 months ago

            Yeah, invasions are out of fashion. All the West does is make a country's development contingent on their willingness to let the West exploit their natural resources and labor and then cut said development if they fund a social program or coup them if the "locals" are uncooperative. All after gutting these countries for hundreds of years via colonialism. You don't need to do an invasion when you can just put a noose around the neck of a country.

            Oh and the West still does invasions look at Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. And UK special forces have been in Syria, the Sudan, Nigeria, and others as recently as last year.

            https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/23/uk-special-forces-have-operated-secretly-in-19-countries-since-2011

          • Bakzik [he/him, comrade/them]
            hexbear
            52
            11 months ago

            Average neoliberal Pirate. Your bloodthirsty country should return all the gold and art that was stolen from all around the world.

            PD: Read about neocolonialism.

            • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
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              11 months ago

              Yeah neocolonialism the thing Russia is attempting right now. If you oppose neocolonialism you should oppose Russia.

              Or do you just hate western countries for fashy past grievances reasons?

              • Bakzik [he/him, comrade/them]
                hexbear
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                11 months ago

                Hey, Space Neoliberalist. If you ever touch some real theory (instead of reading Harry Potter and The Washington Post), like Lenin. You would know that this is an inter-capitalist conflict (you know what that means?). If you think that USA is helping in good faith (and not in the interest of colonialism exploitation in the long run), you are an idiot.

                “fashy past grievances reasons”

                So denouncing the crimes of the west is fascist now?

                -“Hey USA shouldn't have supported dictatorships in Latin America with their Plan Cóndor, or helped in the coup against the democratic elected Salvador Allende. Or dropped two atomic bombs in two civilian cities, or having the highest incarcerated population doing slave labor, or burn with napalm villages, or puting children in cages in the border, or….”. I could be all night talking about USA crimes. A whole month with the Nato members crimes.

                -”Shut up fascist.”

                Is always projetion with you liberals. Scrath a liberal, and a bloodthirsty nafo fascist bleeds.

                • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
                  hexbear
                  2
                  11 months ago

                  The problem with "both sides" arguments is you tacitly admitting your side is wrong when you do that.

                  Yeah sure the US shouldn't have done those things in the past. But these are past grievances, which is the cornerstone of fascist thinking. "Our present day horrible actions are justified because of the horrible things others have done in the past!"

                  Whatever US and any other NATO members did wrong in the past doesn't make what Russia is doing today right.

                  Also, why should Ukrainians suffer so that Russia can expand their empire?

                  I have no doubt about the ability of fascists to go on and on about past grievances. But what grievance do you have with Ukraine specifically?

                  • Bakzik [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    10 months ago

                    The brainworms are strong in this one.

                    You clearly didn't read the Lenin book I linked and, by seeing your activity in here, you are close to the ban.

                    So I just want to say that is so fucking funny that you think that the passing of time exonerates USA from their crimes. I mean, how much time has to pass? They are still putting children in cages, invading countries, having the highest incarcerated population, making coups in foreign countries, etc.

                    But let's follow your logic, and let's wait a few years. That way all the Russian crimes will be just past grievances.

                    Let's just do that.

                    Fascist pig che-smile

                  • Farman [any]
                    hexbear
                    19
                    11 months ago

                    Why should ukranians suffer so that the us can expand its empire?

                  • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
                    hexbear
                    14
                    11 months ago

                    Whatever US and any other NATO members did wrong in the past doesn't make what Russia is doing today right.

                    It was wrong for the US to coup Ukraine's government, but also wrong for Russia to intervene to stop the coup government from killing civilians after like 8 years, got it.

                  • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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                    11 months ago

                    Bud I'm begging you read one serious academic text analyzing the rise and system of fascism, before you do something embarrassing like call indigenous people complaining about what the US has done to them fascists for airing past grievances.

              • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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                11 months ago

                Holy shit at least look the fucking word up in a dictionary before you try to turn it around on someone else you buffoon

                Even if you were going to butcher the term 'colonialism' THAT'S the one that's relevant if a country is being occupied militarily.

                WHY DO YOU SPEAK AT ALL. YOU NEED SO MUCH READING AND LISTENING BEFORE YOU STOP SPEAKING NONSENSE. INVESTIGATE WHAT YOU SAY AAAAAAAA stalin-stressed

          • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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            46
            11 months ago

            How dare you call me a murderer? I haven't killed anyone in almost two years!

            • Farman [any]
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              11 months ago

              Except that in this case they are saying that while killing someone.

              • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
                hexbear
                10
                11 months ago

                AKSHULLY right now I'm just repeatedly stabbing a man. We can't know for certain if he's actually dead until I'm done.

          • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
            hexbear
            41
            11 months ago

            Tell that to Yemen.

            Also 'we haven't invaded anywhere in the very immediate past (though the genocidal war criminals who perpetrated our last invasion are still important and celebrated public figures)' is a pretty fucking weak justification from a country insisting on being world police.

          • duderium [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            Have you heard of scotland/wales/northern ireland?

            • @NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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              11 months ago

              Scotland were willing participants in an act of union what formed Britain you absolute melt.

              • duderium [he/him]
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                13
                11 months ago

                Don’t worry, it’s not like half the people in Scotland want to leave the UK. That could never possibly happen! Imagine! Voting to leave a huge unpopular imperialist neoliberal organization! Utterly preposterous! Could never happen in a million years!

                • @NuPNuA@lemm.ee
                  hexbear
                  1
                  11 months ago

                  One that they were happily part of for several hundred years don't forgot. They had a referendum and decided to stay, you can't keep running them every few years until you get the result you like. Besides Scotland leaving the UK and the resulting chaos of negotiations will make Brexit look like a walk in the park, the SNP aren't honest with their voters about that.

                  • duderium [he/him]
                    hexbear
                    12
                    11 months ago

                    you can't keep running [referendums] every few years until you get the result you like.

                    That’s where you’re wrong 😉

                  • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    8
                    11 months ago

                    you can't keep running them every few years until you get the result you like.

                    That's literally democracy. Why do you hate democracy?

                  • GarbageShoot [he/him]
                    hexbear
                    4
                    11 months ago

                    you can't keep running them every few years until you get the result you like.

                    Haha self-determination goes brrr

          • @HornyOnMain
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            19
            11 months ago

            We were literally in Libya bombing civilians and training al quaeda cells just 12 years ago

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
            hexbear
            8
            11 months ago

            They were in Afghanistan until 2014

            https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/war-afghanistan

      • RonJonGuaido [none/use name]
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        49
        11 months ago

        It's kind of funny seeing these kind of comments on Lemmy and playing the "alt-right or tankie" game before you see someones instance.

        huh, i see comments like yours and i think "lib moron" and then i don't give it another thought.

      • ZapataCadabra [he/him]
        hexbear
        40
        11 months ago

        that it sends a message to other dictators

        What message is America sending to the dictators that we bankroll while they perform genocide using US equipment and training?

      • Bobby_DROP_TABLES [he/him]
        hexbear
        34
        11 months ago

        won't just sit back and let them plough into another country

        Do you think the west has a genuine interest in consistently enforcing this or do you just not care when people you like do it?

      • YaaAsantewaa [love/loves, comrade/them]
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        31
        11 months ago

        Only white countries though, when it comes to black people and brown people you don't give a rats ass, there's still dictators all over the world that none of you even give a s*** about

      • TheGamingLuddite [none/use name]
        hexbear
        29
        11 months ago

        That's fine but why are they banning socialist parties, integrating fascist paramilitaries into the army, and privatizing land? That all seems a little familiar.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
        hexbear
        24
        11 months ago

        Yeah we've really cultivated a lot of prestiege on this one, the west definitely hasn't absolutely embarrassed itself and unified large swathes of the world against it. And hey, it only took like three rounds of sabotaged peace talks and and multiple generations of Ukranians fed into a big novelty Northrop-Grumman branded meat grinder.

      • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
        hexbear
        21
        11 months ago

        it sends a message to other dictators around the world that we won't just sit back and let them plough into another country,

        You mean like the collective west did to Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya? Who's supposed to send the message to our dictators when it's time to stop?

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
        hexbear
        15
        11 months ago

        we won't just sit back and let them plough into another country,

        only WE plough into other countries USA! USA! USA!

      • Farman [any]
        hexbear
        10
        11 months ago

        You could say the same thing but with putin sending the message and it would be more acurate.

    • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
      hexbear
      6
      11 months ago

      When does this end?

      When Russia is defeated.

      How is the US benefitting from this?

      It's sending a message to authoritarians. Don't invade countries or we'll send the other country stuff to make it go badly for you. This has a chilling effect on authoritarians, making them refrain from this kind of activity. This improves global security, which results in better trade, which improves the global economy. The US being on the globe benefits from this.

      Also, do you like how much you're paying for groceries? Could it be this war is causing a disruption in grain supply? You know that stuff that goes into bread, the feed that cows eat, etc? Yeah, I know people on the internet are all blaming their own governments (in basically every country, LOL) for high grocery prices, because no one wants to say that's it's Putin. Sure there is probably some assholes jacking up the prices more than necessary, but do you think all the corporations and all of the governments got together and decided to do this? Nope the inflation, the high grocery prices, it's because of Putin's bullshit.

      Not to mention all of the influence campaigns Russia is running on the internet. You know where you're constantly being influenced by the internet towards burning down the capital of your own country? That's a disinformation campaign designed to destabilize NATO countries. Taking down Putin will lessen that buillshit. I say lessen because after seeing Russia's success other countries like China are getting in on that game now too. But one asshole at a time.

      • ZapataCadabra [he/him]
        hexbear
        42
        11 months ago

        Don't invade countries or we'll send the other country stuff to make it go badly for you

        Man I wish someone sent that message to the US before they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, carpet bombed Syria and Libya, and funded various forms of jihadist militant groups for the past 20+ years.

        There's exactly one county that's been toppling democracies and bankrolling dictators for almost a 100 years and it's amerikkka baby.

      • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
        hexbear
        32
        11 months ago

        And people were worried when CatholicSocialist got banned that we wouldn't hook any more whales

        • Flinch [he/him]
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          21
          11 months ago

          We should keep this one around, he's kinda funny, when he's not dropping the epic chungus racism one-liners

          • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
            hexbear
            17
            11 months ago

            I just noticed that this is an away game lol

            Not really our call here if they stick around or not shrug-outta-hecks

      • windowlicker [she/her]
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        11 months ago

        yeah its definitely putin's fault everything is more expensive and not corporate greedy price-gouging. remember, everything is putin's fault! the west is perfect!

      • sharedburdens [she/her, comrade/them]
        hexbear
        22
        11 months ago

        You know where you're constantly being influenced by the internet towards burning down the capital of your own country? That's a disinformation campaign designed to destabilize NATO countries.

        Seeing how you NAFO psychos behave has actually completely convinced me that the only path forward is to burn DC (and Langley) to the ground and that NATO must be dismantled if there's ever going to be lasting peace. Congratulations.

        • @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
          hexbear
          2
          11 months ago

          Not Langley! That's where I live! LOL

          A little secret, don't tell anyone... I'm a member of NAFO because I bought some stickers from their website. Everything else you got going on is just paranoid delusions that you came to by reading too much glavset propaganda on the internet.

      • Gorillatactics [none/use name]
        hexbear
        5
        11 months ago

        It's sending a message to authoritarians. Don't invade countries or we'll send the other country stuff to make it go badly for you

        Help i fucked up, I accidentally sent the stuff to the Saudis not the Yemenis who being invaded.