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  • kristina [she/her]M
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    Uh I don't think I disagree with that? 'More/right level of hormone you want = satisfaction' makes sense, but I do not see how this is evidence for biological support of any gender.

    At this point its more of an argument if you think hormones should be in the gender box or the sex box for making you feel better imo. I think it can be both, hormones can alter your perception of the world, your gender, other peoples view of your gender.

    My instinct is that any sort of twin study like that for nonbinary or agender people would have deeply unfunny results. Either it gets used to cisnormatively box people into "UR [brain shape/hormone balance/etc] IS JUST [assigned gender or binary opposite of said]" type shit, or it completely destroys the idea of biological correlation to gender. Unless there really is a clear unique biological causation for every funny gender outside the binary.

    Oh yeah, its always nervewracking to have any study done on us cause we just wanna vibe and don't want to get shat on. You can describe it as a 'faith' or hypothesis thing I guess since I don't have hard evidence on paper, its more just I've noticed too many patterns after talking with thousands of disconnected trans people at this point that I feel like something must be going on. Pattern seeking ape brain? Perhaps monke-beepboop

    • ashinadash [she/her]
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      I don't subscribe to the gender unicorn model so I'm not sure how seperate the two are to me. It's like, I Changed My Sex This Past Year. I think the boxes are silly.

      Well there might be something to those patterns, but if you wanna start framing validity of identities through 'biological support' and sorting some things into the Biologically Supported box and the Not Biologically Supported box, we'd better start deciding what's biologically supported and how. Otherwise it just reminds me too much of essentialism, Idk. I don't really trust that sort of stuff because again it reminds me of "scientific" research into why people are gay. [The identity] is biological because it sprung from the human mind and is therefore biological in origin.

      • kristina [she/her]M
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        Well there might be something to those patterns, but if you wanna start framing validity of identities through 'biological support' and sorting some things into the Biologically Supported box and the Not Biologically Supported box, we'd better start deciding what's biologically supported and how. Otherwise it just reminds me too much of essentialism, Idk. I don't really trust that sort of stuff because again it reminds me of "scientific" research into why people are gay. [The identity] is biological because it sprung from the human mind and is therefore biological in origin.

        I consider all trans / not cis / enby / etc. identities valid, I think theres just a physical reason for why people feel the way they do and why they resonate with certain labels. Have we dug into every identity and fully understood it? Will we ever? No, and probably not, given the number of identities?

        And that is also sort of what I'm getting at. Of course the identity is always biological because it sprung from the human mind, but what is the mechanism? Its a question of neuroscience. Why are people different? How do we make them feel better? I feel like its a fundamental question for the field.

        • ashinadash [she/her]
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          2 months ago
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          imaginator Then otherkin and therian identities are also biologically supported! power-genius

          • kristina [she/her]M
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            Then we just go back to 'does acting on it, altering themselves, make them feel better'. We're in a time loop, ash thurston

            • ashinadash [she/her]
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              Do they even act on it though? What's that look like for them? We don't have otherkin or therians in the room right now and I don't have enough knowledge to say, so that's sort of a stopping block Idk. I want to interview and annoy people now...

              • kristina [she/her]M
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                Do they even act on it though? What's that look like for them? We don't have otherkin or therians in the room right now and I don't have enough knowledge to say, so that's sort of a stopping block Idk. I want to interview and annoy people now...

                Now you understand why Ive talked to thousands of trans people over the past 10 or so years, you have the worm brainworms

                Theres a documentary of some person that tried to make themself look as much like a tiger/cat or something as possible. I can't say I've met any otherkin IRL (but LOTS of furries of course), I've met some otherkin online but its usually questionable if its just some reactionary is cosplaying as one, they usually say something bad that tips me off.

                Theres also some overlap with the bodymodding community, I think.

                • ashinadash [she/her]
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                  2 months ago
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                  Good thing I'm way too fuckin socially inept to do anything about it badeline-anxious cool as it would be...

                  "Documentary" here being "gawkfest"? I have low expectations for docs on "out-there" topics tbh. Do luv me furries tho =)

                  • kristina [she/her]M
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                    Yeah gawkfest is a better term, lmao. Definitely a similar vibe as 'transgender documentaries' but at least it follows a real subject.

                • ashinadash [she/her]
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                  Yeah I saw the One Dog Suit Guy, I could not peer through the fog of excited gawking to see what his actual thing was tbh.

        • iridaniotter [she/her]
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          I think it's clearly a combination of social and biological factors. I know, very brave of me to be a centrist lol.