(i ripped this off wikipedia real fast so sorry if it's lib)

In October 1776, the Public Universal Friend contracted an epidemic disease and was bedridden and near death with a high fever. Their family summoned a doctor from Attleboro, six miles away, and neighbors kept up a death-watch at night. The fever broke after several days. The Friend later reported that [deadname redacted] had died, receiving revelations from God through two archangels who proclaimed there was "Room, Room, Room, in the many Mansions of eternal glory for Thee and for everyone". The Friend further said that [deadname redacted]'s soul had ascended to heaven and the body had been reanimated with a new spirit charged by God with preaching his word, that of the "Publick Universal Friend", describing that name in the words of Isaiah 62:2 as "a new name which the mouth of the Lord hath named".

From that time on, the Friend refused to answer to their deadname, ignoring or chastising those who insisted on using it. When visitors asked if it was the name of the person they were addressing, the Friend simply quoted Luke 23:3 ("thou sayest it").  Identifying as neither male nor female, the Friend asked not to be referred to with gendered pronouns. Followers respected these wishes; they referred only to "the Public Universal Friend" or short forms such as "the Friend" or "P.U.F.", and many avoided gender-specific pronouns even in private diaries. When someone asked if the Friend was male or female, the preacher replied "I am that I am", saying the same thing to a man who criticized the Friend's manner of dress (adding, in the latter case, "there is nothing indecent or improper in my dress or appearance; I am not accountable to mortals").

editorial note: I think this is a very cool story and I really love hearing it. We've been around forever and we've been doing variations of this forever. It's really beautiful


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  • khizuo [ze/zir]
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    1 month ago

    sometimes this site is exhausting tbh. why is it that people here love armchair moralizing about other peoples’ decisions that don’t affect them (this is about the “eating slop” thread but i see it elsewhere too) without maybe considering that disabled people exist under capitalism too. i almost want to report that thread for ableism tbh.

    • ashinadash [she/her]
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      1 month ago

      looks

      yea You do wonder if there are people that turn to leftism generally because they feel it's the best way to look down their nose at others.

      • khizuo [ze/zir]
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        1 month ago

        i left a comment on there also about how a lot of the discourse conveniently also sidesteps the fact that a lot of cooking is invisible labor done by women

          • khizuo [ze/zir]
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            1 month ago

            he can get back to me once he tries cooking a chinese meal for 4 people several times a week and see how he likes it emilie-shrug

            • Thallo [love/loves]
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              1 month ago

              Chinese food ain't easy to cook. A lot of spices being thrown around

              Edit: now I'm craving grilled tofu...

      • Ivysaur [she/her]
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        1 month ago

        It is a thought I’ve had for a long time that this is what most western “leftism” is tbh

        • ashinadash [she/her]
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          1 month ago

          And combined with the Christian fetish for defeat shit, makes a really ugly combination.

    • khizuo [ze/zir]
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      1 month ago

      istg sometimes i feel like this site is populated by wannabe health influencers turned communists.

      • MusicOwl [comrade/them, sie/hir]M
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        1 month ago

        This poisonous ideology is kind of omnipresent in the US as an derivative of christian moralizing. This site might be better than most than this, but it sure isn’t free of that plague.

    • TheDoctor [they/them]
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      1 month ago

      I’ve modded here in the past on other accounts and a few other leftist places as well. The way I think about it is that people have relationships to these spaces that are similar to parasocial relationships but not quite. It is possible to get to know individuals in digital spaces in the same way as real life, usually through DMs. But for the most part, we create a gestalt of the community in our heads the represents the community like a single entity and we interact with that instead. And the community as a single agent doesn’t exist and therefore can’t interact back. It’s just a bunch of individuals treating you as a part of their own mental version of the community. So they act like they know everyone significantly better than they do. Because they know the community. But what is happening more often than not is that strangers or acquaintances are squabbling like close family.

      And of course I don’t mean to diminish the specifics of what you’re saying. We can talk about the specifics of the morality of any particular issue. That’s normally as far as it goes. But the broader dynamic is always left alone because at the end of the day, the sense of community feels nice and deconstructing how it’s not a replacement for actual belonging just kinda sucks.