Hi everyone and welcome to the new Megathread :) For my first Mega I want to share a special interest of mine: the magnetic field and how to understand its behavior intuitively.

I'm guessing most of us have played with magnets before at some point and have felt that mysterious force pushing them apart or pulling them together, depending on how the magnets are oriented toward each other. Some of you may have also seen diagrams like this

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(By Geek3 - Own work,This file was derived from: Ironfilings cylindermagnet.svg This file was derived from: Magnet compasses.svg, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=88524982)

Or done an experiment where you visualize the magnetic field lines with iron filings like this

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(Public domain, Newton Henry Black, Harvey N. Davis (1913) Practical Physics, The MacMillan Co., USA, p. 242, fig. 200)

These lines represent the shape of the magnetic field. The way you can interpret them is that if you place a compass in the field, the compass will align with the field lines at that point. And the closer the lines are to each other, the stronger the magnetic field is in that area. Also, magnetic field lines always form closed loops. They appear to end at the poles of a magnet, but actually they continue on inside the magnet. They do however exit/enter the magnet at the poles.

"But Witchy," you may ask, "why are the lines so concentrated at the poles but then they spread out so much as they travel from one pole of the magnet to the other?" Excellent question my theoretical student XD.

This is I think the key point that was a bit of a eureka moment for me when I realized it a long time ago when I was studying this stuff: the magnetic field lines "want" to be as short as possible while also "wanting" to be as far apart as possible. And when I say want, it does actually behave a little bit like a desire, as the magnetic objects in this field will experience a magnetic force tryin gthe move the object to spread out the field lines and make them shorter.

Let's use this picture I grabbed from Wikipedia as an example:

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(By Geek3 - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10555891)

the bar magnet creates a strong magnetic field at the poles, which means lots of magnetic field lines are squeezed closely together at the poles where they enter/exit the magnet. These lines don't want to be so tightly packed together, so they immediately start spreading out but also immediately start curving towards the opposite pole to try to keep the distance short. If you then try to bring the north pole of another bar magnet close to the north pole of this one, both have magnetic field lines coming out trying to get to their respective south poles, but now even more tightly packed together as you bring the magnets together. Since the magnetic field lines don't want to be so close together, both magnets experience a force pushing each other away so that the magnetic field lines aren't being pushed together so tight.

Similarly, if the south pole of one bar magnet is brought near the north pole of another, the magnetic field lines exiting the north pole of one want to go to the south pole, but the closest south pole is the south pole of the other magnet being brought close, so now the lines go through both magnets before looping back around:

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(By Geek3 - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=10515628)

However, between the closest poles of the two magnets, the lines are still concentrated but will try to spread out between the poles. Since the lines want to be as short as possible and don't want to spread out, the magnetic field exerts a force on the bar magnets pulling them together, since that would shorten the lines between the poles down to pretty much nothing.

Finally, a few of you may have been wondering what determines how much the magnetic field lines want to spread out vs shorten. These two tendencies are in opposition pretty much all the time, since spreading the lines out more requires making them longer. This is determined by something called the magnetic permeability which is a property of the materials that the field is passing through (even air or a vacuum). High permeability materials tend to concentrate the magnetic field lines more and allow them to get shorter, while low permeability materials tend to force the lines to spread out and lengthen. Examples of materials with high permeability are iron, cobalt, and other magnetic or ferromagnetic materials. Low permeability are pretty much anything that doesn't experience force in a magnetic field, so most things.

Post thumbnail attribution: (By Omegatron - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=640068)

Anyway I hope some of you enjoyed this rant or find the information here useful. I can talk about magnets all day so feel free to hit me up if you want, though my inbox will be overflowing for the next week I'm guessing.

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  • rtstragedy [fae/faer, she/her]
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    18 days ago

    @yewler@hexbear.net from last thread

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    I think best case scenario is I find someone I consider to be my best friend ever and then start living with them and we just keep being best friends who maybe also cuddle sometimes. That actually sounds like heaven. I'm just bad at meeting and talking to people

    Ah, that does sound nice! I know QPR (queerplatnoic relationship) is like a pretty broad term but I'm sure there are loads of people out there that are into sex-free domestic arrangements. I think it's been helpful for me to remind myself to just try to make connections with people and sometimes things kinda just click and suddenly you're chatting every day.

    I struggle to start things with people, I get too in my head about it and like convince myself that they don't like me even before I try to DM them, you know? It's really a weak spot because I love people, hanging out with them, learning about their stuff, doing things together, but I struggle to feel anything but imposing.

    There's something preventing that from fully clicking in my noggin though, and I'm trying to place what that is.

    I think I can kinda relate to this - I went around and around in my head trying to label relationship things and try to fit them into boxes for a very long time, until my therapist showed me a chart that had everything you may ever want from a relationship on it, and you're meant to fill it out with possibly someone in mind etc. completely atomized desires like "emotional intimacy" and "sharing a house" and even divided out sexual things. It was helpful to me to kind of pick my own desires and then decide what the labels mean to me after. I can send you the PDF if you'd like, let me know...

    This may just be my asexuality showing, but it's genuinely news to me to find out that flirting even has a sexual component at all for most people lmao

    Ah, totally fair... I think I may have just gotten my ace card revoked today, actually (I am joking, this is an inside joke). I still do think I'm demisexual/demiromantic though, but I have some interesting surprising feelings I'm working through recently in that regard too that I didn't expect.

    • yewler [she/her]
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      17 days ago

      Omg I thought this conversation was dead with the old thread. Thanks for resuscitating :)

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      I know QPR (queerplatnoic relationship) is like a pretty broad term but I'm sure there are loads of people out there that are into sex-free domestic arrangements.

      Someone mentioned QPR in a previous thread and it sounded very appealing to me, but I found it very difficult to figure out what I actually wanted. Which brings me to

      I can send you the PDF if you'd like, let me know

      Pleaseeeeeee do send me the PDF! That sounds like precisely what I've been wanting. I want to be able to just sit down with a big list and think about actual desires instead of getting stuck in words that I have no idea how to even define. I know what "emotional intimacy" and "sharing a house" mean.

      I struggle to start things with people, I get too in my head about it and like convince myself that they don't like me even before I try to DM them, you know? It's really a weak spot because I love people, hanging out with them, learning about their stuff, doing things together, but I struggle to feel anything but imposing.

      I relate to this big time. I've always said that I'm a very introverted people person, but I'm realizing how much depression and social anxiety affect me in that department as well. If I was just highly introverted it wouldn't be a problem. I get in my head because I've always been convinced I'm a boring person not worth being around. I kind of see myself has having just a few very technical interests that most people couldn't give a crap about, but if I'm not talking about that stuff I don't ever really have much to say outside of like random stuff going on in my life, which is not much lol. I feel like everyone else always has more stuff to talk about outside of just their intellectual interests. I guess all of that to say that I definitely often feel like I'm imposing by talking to people.

      I know this is like a common social anxiety feeling, but I've also always felt like the people I'm around don't actually like me but just tolerate me. But I feel validated in that feeling -- like it's not just in my head -- when something happens like coming out as trans causing a bunch of people to drop me like I never meant anything to them. It feels like they were just looking for any reason to not have to put up with me anymore.

      All of this comes together in a big 'ol awful puddle of "scared to talk to people" nonsense. I'm actively trying to work on it though.

      I think I may have just gotten my ace card revoked today

      HELL yeah. Congrats hehe

      • rtstragedy [fae/faer, she/her]
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        17 days ago

        I don't think I can link PDFs so here's a screenshot of it (lol)

        relationship thing

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        Pleaseeeeeee do send me the PDF! That sounds like precisely what I've been wanting. I want to be able to just sit down with a big list and think about actual desires instead of getting stuck in words that I have no idea how to even define. I know what "emotional intimacy" and "sharing a house" mean.

        I totally agree, I found that getting off of the normative "relationship escalator" was key to starting to understand myself and what I want.

        I've always said that I'm a very introverted people person, but I'm realizing how much depression and social anxiety affect me in that department as well. If I was just highly introverted it wouldn't be a problem.

        I don't know if you can relate to this, but I am not actually sure I'm introverted, but extremely socially anxious. I think deep down I find people and connecting with them highly recharging for me, and I want to be around them. But for most of my life, I thought I was introverted because I was around neurotypical people or people I had nothing in common with, which was draining. I've had a few social interactions lately that do feel right to me, and I found them invigorating.

        I get in my head because I've always been convinced I'm a boring person not worth being around. I kind of see myself has having just a few very technical interests that most people couldn't give a crap about, but if I'm not talking about that stuff I don't ever really have much to say outside of like random stuff going on in my life, which is not much lol.

        gah same i self-censor so much but if someone takes an interest i will open the FLOODGATES. It's so bad I'm not even sure what my own interests are sometimes!

        I guess all of that to say that I definitely often feel like I'm imposing by talking to people.

        oh don't even get me started ;_; i have regular problems with this, feeling like if I'm feeling bad things or if I have needs I'm imposing or being a burden... it's so difficult... sometimes it feels hopeless to try and build self-confidence but I'm lucky at least to have people reassure me. And I can always infodump here on bearzone if I really need to, that doesn't feel like imposing on people because they can just not read it!

        But I feel validated in that feeling -- like it's not just in my head -- when something happens like coming out as trans causing a bunch of people to drop me like I never meant anything to them. It feels like they were just looking for any reason to not have to put up with me anymore.

        gah that sucks so much. I mean, some people are just kinda bad people, and a lot of times it takes time and effort and many failures to find the good ones, who don't just tolerate but instead cherish you, flaws and all. I'm working on it too. Maybe we can keep chatting sometime.

        HELL yeah. Congrats hehe

        I mean it was a provisional one anyway, I have a complicated history. But I'm still pretty sure I'm some form of demi.

        • yewler [she/her]
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          17 days ago
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          This image is a godsend omg. I will be pondering over this for the next little bit for sure. I feel like just skimming over it is giving me lots of actual tangible things to think about. This is great. I had never heard of the "relationship escalator" before, but I looked it up and I think stepping off that is exactly what I need to be doing. Figuring out what that means for me is a whole other thing of course, but the mere idea of it already feels so freeing.

          But for most of my life, I thought I was introverted because I was around neurotypical people or people I had nothing in common with, which was draining.

          Another thing I might have to ponder on because thinking about it, there is a nonzero chance that's me as well. I do really love people and being around them so much, when it clicks. It's somewhat rare that it clicks, but when it does, I do come away from it feeling very refreshed.

          i self-censor so much but if someone takes an interest i will open the FLOODGATES

          I think I'm so good at self-censoring that I hide my thoughts from my own self. But you want to talk about floodgates, I still think about the time one of my friends asked me a question about something, and I proceeded to go on this GIANT 3 hour long nonstop monologue. A bit later he sends me a message along the lines of "omg I promise I'll read this later but I can't right now" and he attaches a screenshot of his phone screen with discord showing like 200+ unread messages, all from me lmao. I have such immense infodump potential that it's like a nuke goes off if you hit the right thing and I'm comfortable enough around you. Makes me feel kinda bad though 'cause maybe it's a bit overboard.

          a lot of times it takes time and effort and many failures to find the good ones

          Yeah I figure as much. I'm trying to work on it though

          Maybe we can keep chatting sometime.

          I'd very much be down. I'm a big chatter hehe

          • rtstragedy [fae/faer, she/her]
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            16 days ago
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            This image is a godsend omg. I will be pondering over this for the next little bit for sure. I feel like just skimming over it is giving me lots of actual tangible things to think about. This is great. I had never heard of the "relationship escalator" before, but I looked it up and I think stepping off that is exactly what I need to be doing. Figuring out what that means for me is a whole other thing of course, but the mere idea of it already feels so freeing.

            I felt exactly the same way... glad I could help!! Might help to fill it out for a prospective partner, or the people in your life, you don't have to share it if you don't want to, but may just help having an idea.

            Another thing I might have to ponder on because thinking about it, there is a nonzero chance that's me as well. I do really love people and being around them so much, when it clicks. It's somewhat rare that it clicks, but when it does, I do come away from it feeling very refreshed.

            :) totally!!

            I still think about the time one of my friends asked me a question about something, and I proceeded to go on this GIANT 3 hour long nonstop monologue.

            been there, although I find these days mine are actually a bit shorter than they used to be, though, and i'm not sure why? I guess maybe because I am able to get them out sooner...? It sure does feel good to get those thoughts out sometimes though when they start to pile up.

            I'd very much be down. I'm a big chatter hehe

            :)

            • yewler [she/her]
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              16 days ago
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              Might help to fill it out for a prospective partner, or the people in your life, you don't have to share it if you don't want to, but may just help having an idea.

              I've been thinking about it for a hypothetical future partner for now just to get my brain juices going. I mean nothing's set in stone so I can always reevaluate if and when things become more real

              I guess maybe because I am able to get them out sooner...?

              I think that's what it is for me. I haven't done a 3 hour session like that in a while, and I think it's just because the frequency of them has increased. I can get it out of my system better haha

              My matrix user is @yewler:genzedong.xyz if you want to chat :) And also anyone else who stumbles across this is totally welcome to say hi! As previously established, I like chatting, but the tracha overwhelms me