Obama: "Americans must force me to help you"

BLM: "It's not our responsibility to educate you. Mr President"

Does this conversation look like a material class based antagonism to you? Seems more like two sides of the same PMC "community leadership" coin

  • Hoyt [he/him]
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    3 years ago

    Weren't all the original BLM leadership found in burned out cars while the national leadership was replaced by NGO ghouls?

      • MathVelazquez [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        After the original BLM protests popped off in Ferguson back in 2014, organizers involved in it started dying of mysterious causes. 2 were found in burned cars, four were ruled "suicides", and one was found dead on a bus due to "over doses."

        https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-ferguson-activist-deaths-black-lives-matter-20190317-story.html

        • MathVelazquez [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          No arrests have been made in the two homicides. St. Louis County police spokesman Shawn McGuire said witnesses have simply refused to come forward, leaving detectives with no answers for why the men were targeted.

          "We don't believe either one was connected to each other," McGuire said, but adding, "It's tough to come up with a motive without a suspect."

          • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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            3 years ago

            The story at the time was "gang affiliation" which is complete bullshit. They just Fred Hamptoned them.

        • alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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          3 years ago

          I'm not sure the structure, but some entity controls the BLM and M4BL PACs.

          Though since BLM's importance is it's actions on the ground more than lobbying politicians, IDK how relevant they are.

  • BigAssBlueBug [they/them]
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    3 years ago

    I'm too tired to understand what this post says so

    Good post

    Or

    Bad post

    Whichever one it is

    • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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      3 years ago

      My understanding is its criticising BLM as being essentially a protest movement integrated into the American political system rather than something that really challenges it, but I don't have enough knowledge on what the divides may be between on the ground organizers and "organizer personalities" or whatever you'd like to call those that get interviewed and actually chat with media and politicians, to really weigh in on how accurate this post is.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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        3 years ago

        BLM is for the most part, pretty decentralized. The national leadership is absolutely captured by the political system, but most locals were organized independently and self fund. The national only recognizes a few branches and only gives those branches money while leaving the rest to fend for themselves for not falling in line.

        So criticizing BLM on the whole is dumb, because there are plenty of local branches that are ignored by national because they're more explicitly revolutionary/marxist.

  • quartz [she/her]
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    3 years ago

    Y'all have just been running wild without downvotes, huh?

  • marxisthayaca [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    Read this: https://leftoutmag.com/2021/02/04/breaking/

    Today Black Lives Matter Inland Empire announced its departure from the Black Lives Matter Global Network, highlighting several grievances, and perhaps, calling attention to the need for movement leaders and members of movement organizations to have broader conversations of transparency, Collective organizing and accountability. The following is a statement from Black Lives Matter Inland Empire.

    • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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      3 years ago

      Yep, my local had a schism because the national branch basically started ignoring the local leadership and only recognized "black business owner" types. The new leadership basically purged the old leadership. The protests were controlled by the new ones and went very poorly as they were literally turning black children into the police for throwing things.

      Seems like the purged leadership is gaining more momentum as people realize that the new is just opportunist liberals.

  • vcxaasf [none/use name]
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    3 years ago

    I feel like the antifa thing is happening again where the broader left likes to project far greater control and involvement than actually exist. A lot of BLM is really just local communities trying to raise policing standards to what you see in the most of the west while using BLM as a shorthand. They did explain in detail over hundreds of town halls, interviews and speeches what they were doing.

    It's true they are not broadly any kind of marxist, but that has to do with marxist being at a stage where random people were essentially being asked to build the entire organization on faith. Of course the communities would just use liberal organizations and tactics instead.

  • spez_hole [he/him,they/them]
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    3 years ago

    BLM is probably the furthest that slogan advocacy(?) can go. It will never do real politics but will be what we have until then.