1/31 chance of china comitting a mass killing soon. meanwhile the odds of another shooting in the US tomorrow, going by the last 30 days, are 99%
It's transparently an op. They're "independently funded" by a degree mill with ~100 students. They have more researchers/fellows than employees at the diploma mill.
There's a grayzone article on them I think
Found it: https://thegrayzone.com/2021/03/17/report-uyghur-genocide-sham-university-neocon-punish-china/
According to our model, the factors that are associated with higher risk in China’s estimated risk include its large population
The more people you have in a country the greater risk of mass killings as there are more people tempting you to kill them.
Rushan Abbas
Hmm, that name is familiar. Oh, she's the CIA asset that hilariously got caught out on Reddit.
You guys remember last week when redditors breathlessly revealed they finally had proof of the Uyghur genocide....
And it was a physician saying that she was forced to put thousands of IUDs in women who had repeatedly broken China's one child policy. Which I believe was only even extended to include Uyghurs several decades after initial implementation.
What is it with evangelicals and the CIA? Is it just white supremacy all the way down with the federal government?
Implementing reversible, non-surgical birth control that your own citizens are required to use, and have been using for decades because you have too many kids is "really really fucked up" ?
If you name a western country odds are pretty good I can find you documentation of a formal surgical sterilization eugenics program for women, generally before they had kids, not after, that probably went on for decades after it became indefensible. And usually done without knowledge OR consent.
When I worked in Latin America at least once a month I'd have a patient that was trying to conceive but hadn't been told their tubes were tied during a prior surgical procedure; more than once a patient had no idea that one or both ovaries had been removed during an unrelated surgery e.g. appendectomy or cholecystectomy.
Yeah, an IUD is basically a hormonal blocker that functions similarly to the pill, but is implanted instead of ingested orally. In America, they're usually very expensive. Apparently in China they remove the string that makes them easier to remove, so a procedure would be needed to reverse it.
The string is also known to interfere in sex lives (eg. makes it more uncomfortable because you can feel it) so I don't know if that decision was made for making it harder to remove or to try and not impede healthy sexual activity.
no not so fast ? What Uigur Thing ? Seriously ? it is not an extragated Lie it is a Lie Lie , France is more strict with its Muslim then China ...
Dont make Hot Air with "the Uigur THing" if there is nothing besides Anglo Media Bullshit on the Uigur Thing quoting itself... proven liers...
soory , you mend the one chid policy didnt you Sorry... I missread
The war nerd just did two serial episodes about the NED, and another episode before that on Adrian Zenz.
Unfortunately a lot of this stuff is compiled in a variety of place by anti-imperialist journos. And libs will try to find a way to reject them personally, so just a heads up. They'll be like, "Max Blumenthal went on RT so he's a Russian asset!"
I think a good starting place is the venerable Qiao Collective: https://www.qiaocollective.com/en/education/xinjiang. You can treat it like a middle schooler uses Wikipedia for a book report: cite their citations. So, for example, you could cite this for establishing that Kanat left China in 1971), taking a fairly conspicuous path through Afghanistan and then Turkey.
Also, these "East Turkestan" separatist types are actually pretty open about a lot of their connections. WUC touts Kanat as being senior editor with Radio Free Asia for Uyghurs for about a decade: https://www.uyghurcongress.org/en/staff/omer-kanat/
You can also cite the DOD "terror list" which conspicuously removed ETIM from it at the end of last year.
Yes yes yes. And the 2018 video of a DoD guy describing ETIM engaging in terrorism.
That's kind of the point though. For the most part leftists aren't aren't trying to argue that China is good, or that there is no mistreatment of the Uyghur population. Just that the current situation doesn't match the rhetoric, which seems to be designed to justify an open conflict with China.
For the most part leftists aren’t aren’t trying to argue that China is good, or that there is no mistreatment of the Uyghur population.
This doesnt apply to this site though, so in this context people tebd to assyme that this is the counter-position, but otherwise everything you said is true
That’s kind of the point though. For the most part leftists aren’t aren’t trying to argue that China is good, or that there is no mistreatment of the Uyghur population.
Lol they actually do, so does OP
Trains, increasing life expectancy, near complete elimination of poverty in under 20 years, state control of most industry of necessity and oversight of luxury/tech industry, a reaction to thousands of deaths after prolonged bombing campaigns not resulting in the complete destruction of an entire nation and millions dead?
Yeah, the order of magnitude of my problems with China barely even registers compared to a normal day of operations in the USA.
Genzedong compiled a list of resources, haven't checked them out myself but you might find them useful
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZedong/comments/m1z6lh/how_to_effectively_counter_imperialist_lies_on/
Omer Kanat was the Senior Editor of Radio Free Asia’s Uyghur Service. Radio Free Asia is part of the US Agency for Global Media, which was established with the purpose of “advancing the goals of United States foreign policy” and being “consistent with the broad foreign policy objectives of the United States” as part of its broadcasting standards. One of its top broadcasting principles includes "The capability to provide a surge capacity to support United States foreign policy objectives during crises abroad." The New York Times in 1977 elaborated on the CIA’s role with Radio Free Asia in building an anti-Communist propaganda network directed at China.
The spokesman of the NED-funded separatist World Uyghur Congress refused to condemn the murder of the popular Uyghur imam Juma Tahir, who was a voice for peace in Xinjiang and consistently condemned Salafi jihadist terrorist attacks. Tahir was the imam of the largest mosque in China known for warning followers to not fall “into traps set by exiled separatists” and opposed foreign ultra-conservative Salafi customs like burqas/face veils/niqab that were not part of traditional Uyghur culture. He was an enemy to far-right Salafist separatists and had received threatening letters in the past but was never afraid according to his daughter. He was murdered by Salafi Uyghur terrorists in 2014. Some other far-right separatist groups went even further like the Turkey-based Uyghur Eastern Turkistan Education and Solidarity Association that outright endorsed the killing of Juma Tahir, praised attacks in Xinjiang, posted on its website content from the Turkistan Islamic Party/ETIM, and also sent Uyghurs on missions in Syria during the Syrian Civil War.
The Uyghur Human Rights Project and the World Uyghur Congress are funded by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which is funded by the United States government. According to Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the US legislation establishing the NED and was the president of the US-backed organization:
A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA.
Louisa Greve worked for the National Endowment for Democracy (a CIA cutout) for 24 years. She is now the Director of Global Advocacy for the Washington D.C.-based Uyghur Human Rights Project, which is funded by her old employer, the NED.
From a 2018 article by the Al-Mesbar Studies & Research Center that provides some context on the recent rise of a violent jihadist-takfiri strain of Salafism in China:
With the penetration of Global Salafism of the Takfiri and Jihadi strain in the 1990s worldwide, Central Asian Muslims were affected. A tiny minority of China’s Uighur Muslim community in Xinjiang and Uzbekistan’s Uzbekh community joined the global movement led by al Qaeda. The Uighur group known as the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), originated as an ethno-nationalist group, but transformed from a separatist into a politico-religious movement with Salafi orientations in the late 1990s and 2000s. Under al Qaeda’s influence, ETIM embraced Global Salafism fighting not only Eastern but Western Turkistan but beyond. Renamed Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP), the group fight side by side with other Salafi groups – al Qaeda, Afghan and Pakistani Taliban, Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, Islamic jihad Union, Jabat al Nusra, and the Islamic State.
The vast majority of the Chinese Muslims are Hanafi and Sufi, schools antithetical to Salafism and its virulent strains. Like other countries, China is challenged by the growth of Salafism especially the Jihadist and Takfiri strain.
Today, Muslims worldwide including in China are influenced by the spectrum of Salafist ideologies. Its most virulent strain, Salafi-Jihadi-Takfiri ideology influences a tiny segment of the Uighurs to join TIP and serve in the frontlines of Xinjiang, Pakistan-Afghanistan and Syria-Iraq theatres of conflict. They present a threat to China and beyond. The current threat to China stems from foreign fighters who return with the motivation, skills set and a network to mount attacks. The counter terrorism resources largely focus on suppressing the terrorist groups, not engaging the vulnerable and affected communities.
As TIP needs a constant supply of fighters, its strategy is to train their fighters both in the Afghanistan-Pakistan and Iraq-Syria region and then bring them back to fight the Chinese state. Due to the appeal of the ideology and the lack of an ideological counter weight, jihadist-takfiri ideology continues to spread. As such, the terrorists have been able to replenish their human losses and material wastage. The TIP pace of recruitment outpace Chinese government catch and kill policy. It is paramount that suppressive measures are reinforced with strategies to engage community to disengage from extremism and violence.
Uighur fighters trained by the Islamic State in Iraq have vowed to plant the jihadists’ black flag in China promising that the country will “flow in rivers of blood”.
In a video released on social media and authenticated by the SITE terror monitoring website, the ethnic Uighur fighters in Iraq from western China’s Xinjiang region vow revenge against the country’s communist government in a half-hour long video.
In the footage, which shows the Isis fighters from the majority Muslim ethnic group training, one shot shows an image of Chinese President Xi Jinping followed by a burning Chinese flag.
“Hey, brothers. Today, we are fighting with infidels across the world. I’m telling you this: Don’t be complacent in this. Stay strong,” one of the fighters says, according to Uighur speakers who analysed the video for Reuters.
The Chinese government has expressed concern over Uighurs who have fought for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, travelling illegally to the region via Southeast Asia and Turkey.
In response to a rise in Islamophobic rhetoric on social media in China after some of the terrorist attacks, the Communist Party of China banned Islamophobic speech on the internet and social media.
From an article that provides further details on the crisis in Xinjiang:
Between 1990 and 2016, the Xinjiang region was shaken by thousands of terrorist attacks traced to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM).
Other members have fought with al-Qaeda in Syria and other countries “for so-called battle practice” before returning to Xinjiang.
The U.S. has provided ideological support to separatist movements in Xinjiang through various “non-governmental organizations,” like the World Uyghur Congress, an outfit funded by the National Endowment for Democracy, long a front group for U.S. interference in other countries’ affairs.
ETIM was designated a terrorist organization by the United Nations in 2002. It calls for the separation of Xinjiang from the rest of China in order to establish an ultra-right theocratic state. Luring people in with the promise of paradise, the ETIM has assaulted traditional Uyghur culture by forbidding people from making music, drinking wine, singing and dancing, or crying at funerals. ETIM also proclaims that taking out bank loans or allowing women to work and earn money is not permissible, not halal.
Some articles from mainstream publications that acknowledge that the repression in Xinjiang did not reach the level of genocide and also provide pushback against the US State Department narrative:
- https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/article/3129325/xinjiang-what-west-doesnt-tell-you-about-chinas-war-terror
- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/08/china-biden-us-conflict-escalation-xinjiang-genocide/
- https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/biden-should-withdraw-unjustified-xinjiang-genocide-allegation-by-jeffrey-d-sachs-and-william-schabas-2021-04
Gareth Porter and Max Blumenthal provided in-depth coverage of Xinjiang policies and refuted atrocity propaganda from the far-right ideologue Adrian Zenz. Ajit Singh also exposed how the Newlines Institute report relied upon the discredited work of the religious extremist Adrian Zenz (who claimed to be "led by God" against China), the US government propaganda outlet, Radio Free Asia, right-wing US government/NED-funded groups like the World Uyghur Congress, and a collection of right-wing neoconservative regime change activists that include figures like David Kilgour and David Matas, who have ties to the far-right, anti-China Falun Gong cult. The Qiao Collective has an ongoing extensive overview of events and coverage of Xinjiang. Economist Asatar Bair also analyzed Western claims of repression in Xinjiang in a number of detailed threads:
- https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1366835785769476096.html
- https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1371620935917170689.html
- https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1367632236007202819.html
Another common source of Xinjiang atrocity propaganda is the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), which is an organization founded by the Australian government and is funded by the US State Department, the Australian Department of Defense, NATO, and military contractors like Raytheon and Lockheed Martin. ASPI also continues to collaborate with the far-right Israeli Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies (BESA), which is notoriously Islamophobic.
There is clearly a crack down on basically anything associated with recent foreign far-right Salafi influence linked to terrorist organizations like the Turkistan Islamic Party/ETIM. This even extends to restrictions against ultra-conservative Salafi customs like burqas, niqab, and full-face veils that are not part of traditional Uyghur culture or Islamic practices. Uyghurs in Xinjiang overwhelmingly practice a moderate form of Sufism and traditionally do not even observe hijab. These types of restrictions against Salafi/Wahhabi practices have also been seen in many Muslim countries including Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Chad, Senegal, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan. Imo some of these restrictions and counter-terrorism policies can get repressive and draconian. The more religious aspects of Uyghur society could still be potentially marginalized as a consequence of heavy-handed enforcement of “anti-extremism” measures. The CPC may also potentially face some blowback if they continue to get too overzealous in their counter-terrorism measures (mass surveillance, excessive security check points, and sloppy profiling where they may end up with false positives in re-education/deradicalization centers). So far, there have been no terrorist attacks since 2017.
Thank you for writing this out and providing links and sources!
