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Though he did clarify they don't have a worse police state than the US. He just both-sides it.

Edit - It's a law of hexbear that every discussion must turn into a struggle session. Especially if the discussion involves China.

      • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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        4 years ago

        Primarily because if their numbers are so much lower than the global average then they clearly aren't the problem. It's like complaining about a room that you aren't even in being too hot when the rest of the house is on fire.

        Also unless you live in mainland China, this isn't your problem (especially because almost everyone that doesn't lives in a place with a higher incarceration rate) and making it your problem is just carrying water for intervention narratives/human rights industrial complex.

        What you can do is fight against incarceration in your own nation, just as many activists in China are doing in China. Like seriously, imagine if China was threatening to invade it sanction the USA for its prison population. How would that play?

        • ItGoesItGoes [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Or you know, we could just point out the fact that China is not a brutal police state, instead of assuming it is because, of course, it's China, so how could it not be, Western media told me so. This is mainly for @wtypstanaccount04.

          Seriously, as someone that lives in China, sometimes is disgusting to see the ignorance and racisim (yes, from a position of total ignorance without having lived in China, nor knowing how to speak Chinese, assuming that Chinese are always doing bad things is quite racist) displayed here.

          • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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            4 years ago

            Yeah, I'm a good old boy from the Eastern US lol. If I can get over my national chauvinism and understand that the order of magnitude of the issues at play here are incomparable, I can't think of any other demographic that should get a pass.

            Like holy shit people, most cops in China don't even carry weapons and they're a significantly smaller portion of the population. They're basically organized in the way the most radical US police reform proposals suggest.

            • ItGoesItGoes [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              Not most cops, all normal cops don't carry guns. Only the armed police can carry one, and they are quite uncommon. I have personally never seen one, and I live in the capital of China. Comparing China to the US in terms of police brutality, or police state is a big joke. Cops are a joke in China, and I mean it in the good sense.

          • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I would disagree, I think it is moving that way but very very slowly and not anywhere near enough.

            • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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              4 years ago

              On the contrary, I think China has actually taken a very dialectical approach to the progression of socialism.

              Socialism is the inevitable conclusion of capitalist production. They had some slip ups in the 90s, but the current direction has taken a very sharp turn away from those policies and back to the path. The state still maintains control over all land rights and the only really bad thing is the codification of property right into the constitution (even if it's collective, state, and private with heavy restrictions on the last).

              That's not something that can't be changed though, and it seems as though the general movement in China is to begin nationalizing all the industry currently privatized right now. In order to do that without being totally cut off from the global markets though, they have to create a medium of exchange that dethrones the petro-dollar or financial imperialism of the US will be used to destroy them the same way it did the USSR.

              It's a really boring play and not as cool as 1917 or Paris, but it shows how socialism has grown and adapted to rapidly changing conditions of production and the acceleration of turnover. Dethroning the US empire in their own game will basically be the death knell of international capitalism as we know it. The pressure on revolutions in colonized territories will dissapate and we'll start seeing a new wave of revolutions around the world like we did in the beginning of the 20th century.

              Possibly even some in China as the need for this type of state disappears with the death of the US empire.

                • invalidusernamelol [he/him]M
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                  4 years ago

                  This threatens the dollar over the long term," in an article that described the digital yuan as "a re-imagination of money that could shake a pillar of American power."

                  It's absolutely at least one of the reasons. I think since the 20th century, there's actually been a kinda devolution of capitalism into its more primitive commercial form. Or at least a resurgence of commercial capital as a more powerful force with international banking and dominance of the petro dollar as global reserve currency.

    • Hungover [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      it is all the more clear what we have to accomplish at present: I am referring to ruthless criticism of all that exists ruthless both in the sense of not being afraid of the results it arrives at and in the sense of being just as little afraid of conflict with the powers that be.