I will allow myself to eat fish when going out to give myself another option, but all the food I consume at home is vegetarian. I have mad respect for vegans because idk how I could ever give up eggs/cheese.
I was in your shoes not long ago. Tbh for eggs it was seeing a macerator and realizing that like hundreds of millions of male baby chicks gets sliced up every year so we can have eggs.
For dairy, well... it was realizing that cows must be constantly having babies in order to produce milk, and 50% of their babies (the male ones) still get slaughtered, usually for veal. And those dairy cows still get slaughtered after a few years when they're no longer as productive as they used to be.
I'll likely get there eventually, especially once substitutes are better/more commonly available. Problem is pretty much all my favorite veg meals have cheese in them so I'm basically waiting for substitutes that I'm able to hotswap in... I do make sure to buy from sustainable and free range farms. All that said, I'm ok with acknowledging my selfishness here and that I could be better.
Ovo sexing is a technocratic solution for a social problem. Stop exploiting the reproductive system of other sentient beings. We don't need eggs. You sound like a libertarian trying to come up with excuses for lowering the age of consent. Just stop. Eggs don't belong to you.
I didn't want to get into a huge argument with the vegans about this but I agree re: eggs. I grew up in a very rural area to save money my family kept our own free range chickens for eggs and obviously we weren't committing chickencide.
It's easy to say that a relationship you profit from is symbiotic, but you can't ask the chicken.
the reason why hens shit out an egg a day is because they've been bred to hell and back. Wild hens lay 20 eggs a year. They'd also eat the unfertilised ones to replenish the calcium they lose producing them, which they can't if you take them away.
Are you abstaining from eggs until communism is achieved?
Animal ownership is slavery, taking care of animals without owning them and stealing the fruits of their labour is not. Is that really that hard to understand for a supposed leftist?
As I said, if you don't take their eggs they eat them, don't lose as much calcium and suffer from deficiencies much less.
Mutually symbiotic relationship. They didn't die from wild coyotes, slaughterhouses, or calcium deficiency, as they would have under any other circumstance in this country. Instead they died from natural causes after being pampered their whole lives. It's very wise and cool to compare this to chattel slavery. Dogs and cats are slaves by this goddamn standard.
Knew plenty of families with herding dogs growing up. Clearly this dog is in such conditions that a casual observer would immediately believe him to be a slave.
You don't see the difference between taking car of an animal who needs you to survive and keeping an animal because you profit from their existence? Would you have chickens if not for eggs?
Well yeah, consent matters to me, but as we've established that you don't care about "CoNsEnT" I wanted to know if your concern for the chickens well-being was entirely self-serving, which it seems to be. It's really enlightening how supposed leftists sound like a chud the minute you criticise their actions in regards to veganism.
I don't think breeding more pets is something we should do, but equating that with the complete commodification of non-human animals and their bodies shows how far up your own ass you are to try to own the vegans
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I will allow myself to eat fish when going out to give myself another option, but all the food I consume at home is vegetarian. I have mad respect for vegans because idk how I could ever give up eggs/cheese.
I was in your shoes not long ago. Tbh for eggs it was seeing a macerator and realizing that like hundreds of millions of male baby chicks gets sliced up every year so we can have eggs.
For dairy, well... it was realizing that cows must be constantly having babies in order to produce milk, and 50% of their babies (the male ones) still get slaughtered, usually for veal. And those dairy cows still get slaughtered after a few years when they're no longer as productive as they used to be.
I'll likely get there eventually, especially once substitutes are better/more commonly available. Problem is pretty much all my favorite veg meals have cheese in them so I'm basically waiting for substitutes that I'm able to hotswap in... I do make sure to buy from sustainable and free range farms. All that said, I'm ok with acknowledging my selfishness here and that I could be better.
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Ovo sexing is a technocratic solution for a social problem. Stop exploiting the reproductive system of other sentient beings. We don't need eggs. You sound like a libertarian trying to come up with excuses for lowering the age of consent. Just stop. Eggs don't belong to you.
Eat tofu with black salt instead. Easy.
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The social problem is speciesism, obviously. Ovo sexing doesn't solve that. Stop exploiting sentient beings. It's not necessary.
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I didn't want to get into a huge argument with the vegans about this but I agree re: eggs. I grew up in a very rural area to save money my family kept our own free range chickens for eggs and obviously we weren't committing chickencide.
enslaving sentient beings is ok when I can profit from it
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It's easy to say that a relationship you profit from is symbiotic, but you can't ask the chicken.
the reason why hens shit out an egg a day is because they've been bred to hell and back. Wild hens lay 20 eggs a year. They'd also eat the unfertilised ones to replenish the calcium they lose producing them, which they can't if you take them away.
Are you abstaining from eggs until communism is achieved?
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How about you keep them as pets, without taking anything from them? Or do you only want them for their eggs?
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Animal ownership is slavery, taking care of animals without owning them and stealing the fruits of their labour is not. Is that really that hard to understand for a supposed leftist?
As I said, if you don't take their eggs they eat them, don't lose as much calcium and suffer from deficiencies much less.
When my family raised free-range chickens for eggs we made sure to feed them calcium supplements.
yes, we take good care of our slaves, we're really good owners. We do it for the chickens, definitely not so we can profit from their bodies longer
Mutually symbiotic relationship. They didn't die from wild coyotes, slaughterhouses, or calcium deficiency, as they would have under any other circumstance in this country. Instead they died from natural causes after being pampered their whole lives. It's very wise and cool to compare this to chattel slavery. Dogs and cats are slaves by this goddamn standard.
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Knew plenty of families with herding dogs growing up. Clearly this dog is in such conditions that a casual observer would immediately believe him to be a slave.
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Wow, you're really showing how much you care about the chicken, not the eggs they give you
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because a non-vegan saying they care about animals is always either hypocritical or purely performative. Why do you only sometimes care about consent?
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You don't see the difference between taking car of an animal who needs you to survive and keeping an animal because you profit from their existence? Would you have chickens if not for eggs?
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Well yeah, consent matters to me, but as we've established that you don't care about "CoNsEnT" I wanted to know if your concern for the chickens well-being was entirely self-serving, which it seems to be. It's really enlightening how supposed leftists sound like a chud the minute you criticise their actions in regards to veganism.
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I don't think breeding more pets is something we should do, but equating that with the complete commodification of non-human animals and their bodies shows how far up your own ass you are to try to own the vegans
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If you have questions feel free to ask!
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