it'd be pretty based if it did tho. could you imagine the tears among libs and chuds alike? :sadness:
"Cutting emissions in half by 2030" has the same energy as "tapping the breaks before this car hits a brick wall at 90mph"
"migrant overflow facilities"
"non resident" instead of "alien"
"Bomb Syria"...wait
At this point it's clear that we're not hitting the targets of 1.5 or 2.0 degrees of warming above pre-industrial levels. It would be difficult to head off even if ecosocialists were magically installed in every world government today, and seeing as we're nowhere close to that, it just ain't happening.
This doesn't mean we throw up our hands and do nothing, but it does mean that the conversation moves into damage mitigation territory (rather than damage prevention). We can't stop the car before it crashes, but there might still be an option of avoiding the brick wall in favor of steering the car into a ditch. Taking big steps (and cutting emissions in half by 2030 would be a big step) to avoid even worse climate change outcomes is firmly in critical support territory.
I don't trust the capitalists to even mitigate damage. Or rather, their 'damage mitigation' will probably take the form of Fortress America-type plans, along with accounting gimmicks and an expansion of the police state to make sure the unfortunates are silenced with brutal efficiency. Yes, cutting emissions in half by 2030 would be better than throwing up one's hands and doing nothing, but I have almost no faith in the government to achieve even this modest goal. If you can find optimism in such a future, I am glad. But I think it's far more likely that global warming will cause unpredictable cascading problems, and the primary concern of the government will be listening to the exact assholes who are the most guilty of murdering the planet and preserving their ability to do just that.
Libs would morality police it and assuage their guilt through increased consumption that would minimize any impact they had from cutting red meat. Conservatives would shoot up supermarkets. The only way to stop animal agriculture is for the state to
executeimprisonre-educate meat and dairy executives, seize and destroy the slaughterhouses and dairies, and redistribute or communalize agricultural land.:im-vegan:
i bet they've already actually managed to decrease red meat consumption, what with the increased poverty & rising price of food
And lefties always say neoliberalism never got anything done :big-cool:
lol actually one of the reasons i stopped eating as much meat originally.
i'm on foodstamps now, but I still just dont buy meat any more.
You'd have to eat quite a lot of mushrooms to get enough protein. Brocolli, brussels, quinoa - lots of better places to get it, all with more vitamins as well. I eat a lot of lentils myself.
Bean gang here.
We love you and want to make a nice mushroom and black bean risotto together.
Ah man, my boomer father was reading Facebook yesterday and told me Biden was banning hamburgers. Got my hopes up for a whole day
For the most part (and with some high-profile exceptions), libs aren't to blame for this. It's chuds who are throwing the vast majority of hissy fits over masks and who are making a point of holding unnecessary gatherings out of spite. I know tons of libs who have been all over covid precautions right from the beginning, and are as infuriated by chuds ignoring even the basics as anyone here.
This is one of the big differences between libs and chuds. Libs will sometimes take things seriously, and can sometimes be persuaded/bullied into doing the right thing (even if they rarely come up with good solutions on their own). Chuds will generally actively oppose even the most modest steps in the right direction.
Factcheckers OWN the dumbest people on earth with FACTS and LOGICK that conservatives will literally never care about
This will literally never happen lol, even if there was a revolution.
the closest we'll probably ever get is just see plant-based products almost always optionally served in addition to meat. And not like how shitty schools just give you a block of cold tofu, but actually put a bit of work in to make them comparable taste wise. i think that is a realistic and decent thing to achieve. I mean I guess this might be debatable to some people, but personally speaking here, I've always thought the real, tangible goal is just to reduce meat or animal-product consumption. At least from a climate change perspective, a decent reduction can help considerably.
Ehh, I can see a a future where genuine beef is simply too expensive to eat most of the time. You wouldn’t have to ban it, because it’s simply too expensive for most folks to eat all the time.
this right here in 10 years or less. plant based foods get tastier, cheaper, and meat becomes a luxury item. it would already be happening with milk if it wasn't for the subsidies
Would usher in a terrifying new weapon in the hands of the US government: the control of food. Oops, the rationing computer system crashed in an area that is being defiant and serving the needs of its people ahead of the needs of the government. Technicians are working to fix the problem but warn it could be weeks before the rationing computers are up and running again.
It would be a slippery slope to control it all. Once the infrastructure was in place it could be easily expanded.
"Our software shows you're purchasing more than 24 cans of beer a week. This is unhealthy, and costing all of us in increased healthcare costs. You are being throttled to 6 cans of beer a week, and your account has been debited for a gym membership. Scan the QR code at the entrance of the gym to eventually restore your alcohol access to its former level."
The US would outsource it to some shitty tech start up owned by whoever's cousin happens to be a veteran and is available at the time
I think more likely it would be a major corporation in return for
bribescampaign contributionsyeah you're right they'd fuck it up
I'm just bitter about ID.me, the third party company we now use in my state to verify our fucking citizenship through, where they literally did what I described
It would be software these days. No way they'd do a WWII style coupon book.
yeah probably use blockchain too in order to feel like a smart boy
That's literally not the case. It's at times like this I like to remember one of my favorite characters of all of film and literature, Inigo Montoya, and his immortal words: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
Rationing is by far a fairer or more egalitarian solution than taxing goods with a high carbon footprint.
The liberal tax approach which at the moment is the only plan to curb consumption that has any presence in mainstream discourse would place the burden of climate transition on the poor while the ultra rich would be able to eat red meat and do air travel as if nothing happened.
Yeah I got the idea from labour's policy to prevent starvation during ww2
Rationing sucked but the alternative would have been so much worse. It was as much a civil defense policy as air raid shelters were.
it was rationing or the rich continue as normal and the poor all die
Perfectly sums up the libs giving legitimacy to conspiracy theories by running damage control for something that never even happened. I wonder why they keep losing
I will allow myself to eat fish when going out to give myself another option, but all the food I consume at home is vegetarian. I have mad respect for vegans because idk how I could ever give up eggs/cheese.
I was in your shoes not long ago. Tbh for eggs it was seeing a macerator and realizing that like hundreds of millions of male baby chicks gets sliced up every year so we can have eggs.
For dairy, well... it was realizing that cows must be constantly having babies in order to produce milk, and 50% of their babies (the male ones) still get slaughtered, usually for veal. And those dairy cows still get slaughtered after a few years when they're no longer as productive as they used to be.
I'll likely get there eventually, especially once substitutes are better/more commonly available. Problem is pretty much all my favorite veg meals have cheese in them so I'm basically waiting for substitutes that I'm able to hotswap in... I do make sure to buy from sustainable and free range farms. All that said, I'm ok with acknowledging my selfishness here and that I could be better.
It’s completely possible to ethically produce eggs
enslaving sentient beings is ok when I can profit from it
It's easy to say that a relationship you profit from is symbiotic, but you can't ask the chicken.
the reason why hens shit out an egg a day is because they've been bred to hell and back. Wild hens lay 20 eggs a year. They'd also eat the unfertilised ones to replenish the calcium they lose producing them, which they can't if you take them away.
Are you abstaining from eggs until communism is achieved?
Let the species go extinct because literally any relationship with humans, no matter how well treated they are, is literal slavery?
How about you keep them as pets, without taking anything from them? Or do you only want them for their eggs?
animal ownership is slavery
Animal ownership is slavery, taking care of animals without owning them and stealing the fruits of their labour is not. Is that really that hard to understand for a supposed leftist?
As I said, if you don't take their eggs they eat them, don't lose as much calcium and suffer from deficiencies much less.
As I said, if you don’t take their eggs they eat them, don’t lose as much calcium and suffer from deficiencies much less.
When my family raised free-range chickens for eggs we made sure to feed them calcium supplements.
yes, we take good care of our slaves, we're really good owners. We do it for the chickens, definitely not so we can profit from their bodies longer
Mutually symbiotic relationship. They didn't die from wild coyotes, slaughterhouses, or calcium deficiency, as they would have under any other circumstance in this country. Instead they died from natural causes after being pampered their whole lives. It's very wise and cool to compare this to chattel slavery. Dogs and cats are slaves by this goddamn standard.
Knew plenty of families with herding dogs growing up. Clearly this dog is in such conditions that a casual observer would immediately believe him to be a slave.
Wow, you're really showing how much you care about the chicken, not the eggs they give you
because a non-vegan saying they care about animals is always either hypocritical or purely performative. Why do you only sometimes care about consent?
You don't see the difference between taking car of an animal who needs you to survive and keeping an animal because you profit from their existence? Would you have chickens if not for eggs?
Well yeah, consent matters to me, but as we've established that you don't care about "CoNsEnT" I wanted to know if your concern for the chickens well-being was entirely self-serving, which it seems to be. It's really enlightening how supposed leftists sound like a chud the minute you criticise their actions in regards to veganism.
I don't think breeding more pets is something we should do, but equating that with the complete commodification of non-human animals and their bodies shows how far up your own ass you are to try to own the vegans
I didn't want to get into a huge argument with the vegans about this but I agree re: eggs. I grew up in a very rural area to save money my family kept our own free range chickens for eggs and obviously we weren't committing chickencide.
Ovo sexing is a technocratic solution for a social problem. Stop exploiting the reproductive system of other sentient beings. We don't need eggs. You sound like a libertarian trying to come up with excuses for lowering the age of consent. Just stop. Eggs don't belong to you.
Eat tofu with black salt instead. Easy.
The social problem is speciesism, obviously. Ovo sexing doesn't solve that. Stop exploiting sentient beings. It's not necessary.
We need to cut emissions badly. Look how bad its getting, Joe Biden is literally standing in a fart cloud here
