"The Squad" or whatever are clearly still firmly in the liberal mindset that the institutions of the US and its police force merely do bad things but are not bad at their core, this is the same for when they selectively decide to be against certain imperialist actions but promote others, US hegemony isnt bad but it can do bad things for them.
They let them in because they weren't paid enough. Now they can let them in AND give them their shiny new assault rifles too!
lol the idea that police en masse aren't by and large the most well paid of public employees is one of the craziest scams perpetuated on the American people.
Cops gotta get free everything because they put their lives on the line (unlike say a landscaper) and that $150k paycheck, benefits, and lifetime pension doesn't stretch as much as it used to.
Cops gotta get free everything because they put their lives on the line (unlike say a landscaper)
It's statistically much safer to be a cop than a pizza delivery driver (or probably most jobs). Pays better, too.
(or probably most jobs)
Nah, cops still have one of the more dangerous jobs. They're just in the same ballpark as every other job that involves driving. Because being in traffic, not action hero fantasies, is the reason the job has any danger at all.
I'm only bringing this up because I value accuracy. Death to America, as always.
Definitely one of the top 25 most dangerous jobs in the US. But speaking of driving, it's more dangerous to be a truckdriver. Or a sanitation worker (also driving, and standing around near traffic, but unlike a cop car no one bothers to give a garbage truck a wide berth.)
Incidentally, it's also more dangerous to be a landscaper.
You're an idiot for thinking they're idiots and not just intentionally downplaying that the cops let them in.
Love how the cops can choose not to do their job the one time white supremacists threaten the seat of power and get rewarded billions of dollars for it.
One vote. One fucking vote. Unbelievable. The first time maybe ever that the "squad" had some power and could have actually done some material good and they chickened the fuck out.
I mean for fucks sake, wasn't Tlaib openly calling for abolishing the police a month ago?
Tea Party was a thorn in the side of the GOP for the last decade, often to the point of seeming counterproductive to their stated end goals. All for the sake of caucus discipline and loyalty to their ideology.
It's annoying as hell to see Succs sell off their professed views in pursuit of... what? A pat on the head from Nancy? No Teabagger ever pinned for John Boehner's approval.
Wow. AOC herself talked about how there was no response for hours, and how the cops were choosing not to do anything.
She 100% knows this isn't a funding issue. What the fuck.
When will these clowns learn this never works. How many times have libs figuratively prostrated themselves in front of ultra conservatives and said 'please don't be mean and call us commies', only to get spit on anyway
The lesson learned will be "If we do it again, we'll get more funding"
Pwease mistew white supwemacist, save me fwom da othew white supwemacists.
Not surprising with how often she talks about it and the effect it had on her. She's a typical Washington lib who talks passionately about democracy almost dying on that fateful day in January.
AOC isn't Eugene Debs and she never will be. Shit, she isn't even Bernie Sanders.
AOC isn’t Eugene Debs and she never will be.
Eugene Debs was a labor leader. AOC's one of Ted Kennedy's old staffers. But that's who was on the ballot in 2018 against Joe Crowley. I don't blame people for flocking to her banner, given the alternatives.
Shit, she isn’t even Bernie Sanders.
Bernie Sanders wasn't even a politician until he turned 40, and even then he just barely squeaked by into the Mayor's office. And once he got there? He was happy enough to compromise as it suited him. AOC's seen the inside the machine since high school and positioned herself to knock out a perennial safe-seater in an off year. They're incomparable for a host of reasons.
I see people bitching about her performance, but these same people hate on electoralism generally speaking. I see people defending her, and they tend to defend electoralism, generally speaking. I begin to think folks like AOC and Sanders are simply proxies for a bigger conversation about what efforts are worth our time and what's a waste.
For the most part they are. As you said, people criticizing AOC tend to also add that her decisions and tweets are proof that electoralism doesn't work. My comparison was more about how Debs risked being jailed for years to stand for his beliefs. There are some who think that she'll be the same firebrand he was and do something similar, or at least fight with the same stubbornness. This of course ignores the position she and Debs were in.
Sanders is someone AOC is constantly compared to, even if their origins and current situation in politics are very different. People seem to expect that she'll follow the same path he did after her congressional highlights made the rounds. They also expect the same type of "maverick" behavior that Sanders is perceived to have.
I may have been harsh in my opinion on AOC, but the expectations people have of her were way too high to begin with. She never really positioned herself as anything more than a social-democrat with liberal leanings and that's fine. Her opponents have all been worse and she's frankly better than the majority of Democrats in the house.
The worst fucking part about this is I'm already seeing libs cheering on Facebook about how much of an L this is for the GOP.
Like goddamnit, can you fucking BlueMaga troglodytes not comprehend that giving MORE money to the genocidal white supremacist armed guards of the heart of empire is a BAD IDEA, ACTUALLY?
I like the way you phrased this because Goddamn if it isn't the truth.
beyond pathetic, the succest of succdems. I do more by being a loser internet LARPer than these people lmao (okay not quite but basically).
Shit at this point you're better than them. Even if you're not working to bring about the people's revolution, at least you're not actively working to make it an impossibility.
They're actively causing harm. Doing literally nothing is far better than that
doubt it'll happen. they want more security at the capitol. they're thinking about the possibility of leftist revolution too.
Disagree. House GOP voted 209-0 against this bill. Can't imagine the Senate GOP would let it fly.
it's all a show because the capitol riots were tied to trump and they don't want to lose voters. pretty sure it's gonna pass easy.
Yeah they'll make a show of it, not fillabuster, and will pass like 55-45 (with the never trumpers voting for it too)
of course, there's no chance they're not itching to give themselves better security, especially after they saw all the actual protests last year. i can't believe anyone's arguing against that.
Oh fuck was it really that close to getting shot down? I was just about to type out how the bill was doomed to pass anyways, but their votes would have had a tangible effect. Literally inexcusable.
Voting "present" is such a half-assed move. Does anyone have the vote count -- would this have still passed if they voted against it?
it's all by design. if the republicans had one more no vote, then pressley or omar or bush would have voted yes too.
No they wouldn't have, don't resort to pulling shit out of your ass. Omar voted no.
There was already that pressure, because it wasn't clear it was going to pass, as it ultimately passed by 1 vote.
So yes, there was already as much pressure as there was going to be without a clear, very likely loss, where it would have been a lot less relevant anyway.
if it came down to it she would have voted yes. it's not pulling shit out of my ass, it's recognizing the failures of electoralism. sorry :LIB:
Democratic opposition came exclusively from liberal members of the party who have broken with its leaders in the past — and in recent months have advocated reducing funding for police operations nationwide, a campaign that began last year as part of the country’s reckoning over racial justice in law enforcement. Their opposition to Thursday’s bill highlights the challenges House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) will face going forward as she tries to keep her razor-thin majority united, an undertaking that will only get more complicated as Congress draws closer to the 2022 midterm elections.
The 213-to-212 vote was a nail-biter as Democratic leaders, on the House floor, made emphatic last-minute appeals to the holdouts, pleading with them to back the measure. As Thursday’s vote closed, cries of, “One more!” could be heard from the GOP side of the chamber, prompting the Democratic leader, Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (Md.), to declare that they had run out of time and demand the final count be called.
The three members who voted no — Reps. Ayanna Pressley (Mass.), Cori Bush (Mo.) and Ilhan Omar (Minn.) — released a joint statement Thursday saying that “a bill that pours $1.9 billion into increased police surveillance and force without addressing the underlying threats of organized and violent white supremacy, radicalization, and disinformation that led to this attack will not prevent it from happening again.”
Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) and Jamaal Bowman (N.Y.), all Democrats, voted “present” — officially taking no position, and allowing the bill to pass by one vote.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-passes-2419-billion-bill-to-pay-for-capitol-security-upgrades-despite-democratic-defections/ar-AAKczwp
Edit: Cori Bush is still explicitly supporting her stance on No https://twitter.com/CoriBush/status/1395520445756157965 (and post got fucked up trying to edit)
yeah, you just need to re-read that last paragraph of your quote, and think critically
I don't think you can read. Illhan would not have voted yes. She didn't vote yes. It "came down to it", and she didn't do it.
it didn't come down to it, because it passed without her vote.
By 1 vote, when were still calls on the floor for votes, and they didn't know the count (hence calls on the floor for more votes).
you just don't understand how politics work, it's ok. :vote:
I'm sorry that being able to talk in specifics and not repeating "electoralism!!!" and Lenin quotes is confusing for you. Feel free to criticise the 3 "presents", but Democrats are not master string pullers. Reality is not always as straightforward as everything being clearly planned theatre. The Socialist Campaign Group within Labour is similarly often split due to differences between its members, and is not a united front even as a minority group within Labour. The same is true here of "progressive" Democrats.
I love usernames that also act as content warning for that persons posts.
No, I've definitely read more Marx than you, which helps in not being a dumbass who can't engage with anything more complex than repeatedly posting "electoralism" and "vote".
if just one of the 3 (AOC, Tlaib, Bowman) had voted no instead of present, it would've failed. but i am sure they had it worked out who would vote no and who would vote present just so it would barely pass. or at the very least a failure of coordination to kill the bill. i can only assume because they wanted it to pass while still taking a posture of opposing it/not supporting it. basicall just theatre. the 3 no's could've also voted present to give more room for it to pass.
