I moved here from America last year because they have tuition free college, and I'm honestly impressed with how stupid and evil this country is. Like I truly believe there is less revolutionary potential here than in America. Say what you will about America, but there is a general social attitude that does not put up with these bullshit opinions being publicly voiced.
Overall, Germany has some cool stuff going on, but they're also quite stupid and clueless.
Every Germany leftist i've met loves Israel, unironically spouts zionist talking points and thinks focusing on US/UK imperialism is self-absorbed.
I just learned about the "anti-Deutsch" left current the other day. And on the one hand like yeah. Germany from everything I've seen should be heading towards abolition. But then they also support Israel for some reason? And they say "do it again, bomber Harris" and like celebrate the bombing of Dresden and shit. It's fucking deranged.
yeah don't bother engaging them on that either theres a very reactionary believe in innate evil there, more often than not racial. I tried to ask one if the Jewish People deserve an ethnostate after being persecuted across europe why not the Romani and instantly just got a tirade of "Romani are scum". They might somehow be further away from revolution than us in England
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Why should any race get an ethnostate?
they shouldn't was my point
I'd do that too if I was German lol
It's like :xi-plz:
nothing wrong with being happy the nazis got the shit bombed outta em
I don't know. Like we can discuss the complicity of the German population in the Holocaust and the unique cultural and historical reasons that German civilians were responsible for the world's most reactionary regime, but I don't think killing civilians is justified. I don't think Dresden is any more justified than Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
Also, the bombings of civilian centers didn't kill nazi sympathizers either. The opposite in fact. So-called "degenerate" portions of the population were excluded from the air raid shelters in Germany, so most of the victims of the bombing campaigns were not sympathizers.
putting aside that the special attention Dresden gets is because of Nazi propaganda in the first place, the Germans and Axis powers don't deserve an equal place in conversations about civilian casualties. They all killed many, many, many more civilians than they lost, even with those barbaric, indiscriminate tactics the Allies used. Oh boo hoo a half million innocent germans got killed while their countrymen were murdering 12 million+, those living under, or supporting the fascist powers suffered what they must for the rest of the world to wrench them out of their genocidal regimes.
fuck it, 500k to 12 mil+ is an even greater disparity than Palestine/Israel, are you going to pay the same lipservice to the Israeli civilians merk'd by Hamas missiles?
Not just Dresden. The Royal Air Force spent the entire war bombing civilian targets. They had to lie to the crews and tell them they were bombing munitions factories. The USAF went for daylight bombing to try to actually bomb industry and got savaged. The British went at night when aim wasn't important, just drop those firebombs somewhere in the city limits.
Enable and support a fascist regime, you get what you fucking deserve
there's something wrong if you're a German trying to convince other Germans that your communist ideas are the way to go and you're like "wasn't it epic and funny when civilians were firebombed at an important nazi rail center??!?! Lol!!"
they're apparently trying to get support for abolishing germany, critical support y'know?
Anti-Deutsche are cringe af and full of the weirdest takes you can imagine, but "do it again, Bomber Harris" is actually an incredibly successful way to troll nazis. Nothing gets our fash malding like rubbing in the German loss of WW2, and Dresden is a major cornerstone of nazi apologia and historical revisionism - nazis hold rallies there every year to commemorate the allied "bomb holocaust" (that's the actual term they use) and paint Germany as the victim of WW2, and the whole Bomber Harris stuff originated out of counter-protests to that.
The entire debate is heavily politicized and calling out the allied bombing of Germany will quickly lead to you arguing alongside the exact same guys who push the "clean Wehrmacht" narrative on :reddit-logo: . That doesn't mean there can't be valid criticism, i don't expect anybody on this site to do nazi apologia with that. WW2 is a good example of the "strategic bombing" doctrine being largely useless from a military standpoint, such approaches clearly are injustifiable when they are repeated today (which the USA does in every war they start). But that wasn't a mistake exclusive to the allies, it was the German air raids on the UK that kicked this off. Strategically, bombing Dresden made little sense. As an act of retaliation against the worst regime ever, though, it is fully understandable, and the cultural and political context this topic has in Germany shouldn't be overlooked. My grandparents went through a lot when the war ended, and from all i know none of them was a nazi, but i can't blame the allies for any of it, given what had come before. Germany brought this upon itself when people here chose barbarism over socialism. We had been warned, we didn't listen, we payed the price, and that does not only go for those who were NSDAP members, it does not only go for those who voted Hitler into power, it goes for all the enlightened centrists and mild socdems who failed to stop the nazis, too.