Totally normal! honk honk
This was that game that pissed the chuds off that the lesbians in the apocalypse weren't super models?
No that was horizon. This was the one where they said a buff girl couldn’t stay buff in the apocalypse so she must be a man :agony: :agony: :agony:
Or they just Really want to insult trans women and since it’s Reddit gamers...
She’s not but it became an easy “she looks like dude. She must be trans. Trans people kill themselves” BS. I saw way too much of it.
I think they were more upset that young girls weren't made available to male characters.
Gamers were so buttmad about this.
Joel deserved to die for what he did to the Fireflies. He doomed humanity then lied to Ellie about it, when Ellie probably would have consented to give her life to save people.
"Omg, Joel died so unrealistically. He wouldn't have been so careless as to not have his backpack!" Listen Gamer, Joel died a hundred times throughout TLOU. He just had the power of Player One so he could respawn. Then he didn't have that power.
when Ellie probably would have consented to give her life to save people.
Her literal line for this is
"It can't have been for nothing"
Ellie is gonna sacrifice herself for a cure eventually and theyre gonna get more mad
I think we should avoid appropriating "honk honk" from the clownworld/frenworld chuckle fucks. It's not just a clown thing, it's a subtle nod to "HH" or "Heil h*tler."
Crypto-fascists think they're clever hiding behind baby speak and codes to pass off their nazism. We shouldn't prove them right by normalizing their crap, even ironically, ya know?
The Last of Us II is my favorite story out of any medium. There are others that are held in higher esteem by better-educated people, but my own subjectivity puts TLOU2 at the very top.
I could go on and on about it. I've been thinking about it since I played late last summer. But one central theme I've noticed, that many people have slightly touched on but maybe not quite realized, is consequence. The inciting event of the entire game is a consequence of how Joel wrapped up the first game's plot. If you watch the final cutscene from the first game, you'll see so many comments expressing the sentiment of "The story ended here".
Why? Because they can't handle the fact that Joel's actions would have consequences. Independent of if he did the "right" thing or not (I happen to disagree with what he did, but that's not the point), such a monumental choice is going to have CONSEQUENCES. And that consequence shows up to play golf with his face. The rest of the game is a series of consequences based on that, spiraling ever deeper down the rabbit hole.
But all that the Gamers saw was their self-insert, rugged, loner, asshole survivor murdered by a GURL. And they lost their minds over it. The conversation around this game, around this incredible story, is going to be poisoned for years to come because Gamers aggressively ignore subtext - both hidden and overt.
I love all the loops people jump through to argue that the Fireflies would not be able to create a cure and thus Joel was morally correct to save Ellie and the consequences are undeserved.
I read somewhere once that people who look for those justifications are missing the point of that ending. Even if it was 100% certain the Fireflies would succeed in a cure, Joel would still have gone through with killing them all. It doesn't matter what those people think, the writers basically decided that a cure was possible and Joel's actions prevented that.
That's a great way to summarize that, thank you! They said to save a life is to save the world entire, but not for Joel.
The extra twist is that Ellie would have said yes. She took it as her life's purpose in both games. Both the Fireflies and Joel took Ellie's agency away. People tend to be sympathetic towards Joel because he kept her alive, but her wants mattered just as little to him as they did to the Fireflies.
What about that game broke motherfuckers' brains so hard? Or harder than other games with gay and trans stuff?
i know it's a year old but i'll still put spoilers in case. basically spoiling the entirety of both games here lol.
the first game is basically like children of men with a father figure and daughter figure, joel and ellie, that grow really close to one another throughout the game. at the end of the first game he has a choice to let ellie die and have a chance at creating a cure (ellie's the only immune person) for all the zombies, but instead he decides to kill everyone there, including the doctors, and save ellie. joel tells her that there are other immune people and they couldn't make a cure so they're giving up after she wakes up from being prepped for surgery. the first game ends ambiguously not knowing whether ellie realises joel's lying to her about what happened or not.
then after like 7 years of waiting for the game to come out all the gamer manbabies who saw joel as their real dad for the last 7 years went crazy because their "dad" was killed in the first like 2-3 hours of the game by the survivors of the people he killed at the end of the first game. for 7 years they wanted a happy go lucky joel and ellie adventure but in the game their actual relationship for the first 2-3 hours is strained and awkward because of what joel did, and then he's killed ruining any chance at them making up.
i imagine that by itself would've made the people who hated the game still hate it, but what really set the fire was the fact that the person who killed joel was a muscular woman and ellie had a girlfriend called dina. i think the combination of it all is what lead to the huge gamer rage at the game.
oh yeah definitely but i think the combination definitely is what caused the huge outrage. if it was just the current story without the representation it probably would've blown over quick. and if it had the representation without the story it had it probably would've blown over quick too. but with both it spawned the whole yhear long hate campaign and massive review bombing when it first came out, in my opinion at least.
i forgot to mention the leaks as well. i think the leaks that came out like a few months before release probably conrtibuted to the outrage too
spoiler
i remember at the height of all the hate you could tell at an instant what someone would think about the game depending on what they thought of the first ending. if they thought the ending was tragic and joel betrayed ellie they'd probably like the second game. if they thought joel did the right thing they'd almost unanimously hate the second game lol
this is the first thing I've read that made me want to play it. no wonder Gamers don't like it
I wish The Last of Us 3 really was just an in-depth sex minigame on top of Joel's grave.
Not for any actual dislike of the character, just purely to spite G*mers.
My prediction is that Last of Us 3 is gonna be about self-sacrifice and redemption after the themes of horror and revenge of the first. Probably Ellie heading to the Fireflies in Catalina and having to trek across the overgrown and hellish urbanscape of Los Angeles that stretches across dozens of miles larger than Seattle to reach Catalina Island.
Like a post collapse Los Angeles would mean the LA River would be free to rip through neighborhoods again (every time it would rain its river mouth would move it used to flow through Santa Monica until it rained , destroyed Compton and settled by Long Beach and was then channelized with cheap as shit concrete), every low-lying freeway flooding over since they made several of them over former marshlands or dug down near the water table, and wildfires clearing away former suburbs back into oak savanna with the freeways as firebreaks to keep urban shit intact for level design
I was so mad about Season 8 of Game Of Thrones but like 2 weeks after the finale I unsubbed from r/freefolk and have barely thought about it since. Move on with your lives people
Same with the attack in titan manga ending. I was content with it and ignoring the hate cause it's over ....then the extra pages leaked and I hated it but it was over and done with so I unsubbed from all the AOT subreddits. It's an ending that sucked imo but it's not worth getting worked up over either way.
My only criticism is that I wish the Santa Barbara portion was longer and we got to see more of post apocalyptic California
