I guess if humanity straightens its shit out and I miss out on motherhood I'll be pretty sad, but I'm not gonna take that bet. I told my family that they'd get grandchildren/cousins if Bernie won, and, well... :bernie-pout:
Humanity has persevered through worse. We will survive. We will persist. We will win. The future isn't written until it happens. We will never get to utopia if we give up on the way there. And even if the path is paved with sharp stones, we shall walk on it. We shall fight for our children who will in turn fight for their children who will live in paradise. And we shall ensure that our children will have a chance to fight for their children, to fight for preservation of humanity, to fight for the future, to tread on the sharp stones on the path to paradise. And once we reach paradise, we will be remembered as heroes, as martyrs, as parents. As those who sacrificed everything so that their children may live a better life.
Someone gets it. As many people may die, as hot and uninhabitable as the world may become, there will be SOME people still left alive, even if it's just a few thousand of them scratching in the dirt in the Arctic. The coming climate collapse might kill billions but it won't kill off humanity, we're too strong for that. And just knowing that there is going to be SOME humans in the future is enough knowledge to keep fighting today
And that's the worst-case scenario. If change is swift and decisive, we will avert that, and we will come to paradise much sooner. But even if we fail and there is global catastrophe; there is no reason to give up. There is no excuse to give up. The last remaining person in a tribe has no excuse to give up, to just lay down and accept defeat. To do that is to insult to the highest degree all those who died, who sacrificed everything in order to protect them, in order to let them in turn fight for others. There is no excuse to give up. We have no excuse to give up. We will not give up.
Thanks! I actually did just come up with that. Good to know that it has its intended effect of inspiration.
Even if humanity comes down to 10,000 people in a billionaire's bunker, we can win. Hell, if anything it'll be easier than ever to organize a world revolution because the world population will be in one spot with only one boss to deal with.
I feel bad that this is the only thing I can think of when I interact with my friends' toddlers
Yeah that was kinda the point I was trying to make with this post. I guess people won't hesitate to call me an anti-natalist with titles like this, but I'm seeing some of my high school friends having children and I just don't know how they're going to fare when I see headlines like this
I don't shit on people who have children, it's just that my mind immediately goes to stuff like this when I think of the bleak climate situation we have going on
Anti-natalists are weird to me because they’ll make this argument but then would also make the same argument for any given point in history too. Like is it really about climate collapse or is it something else??
Was digging around for some info to help put things in perspective and found this:
I think current estimates are that modern humans arose something like 300,000 years ago, so this is truly an unprecedented challenge for humanity.
I just can't stop thinking about how the industrial revolution has exacerbated everything
it’s not “giving up” to recognize how awful the future is shaping up to be.
how many times do i have to say this? shit doesn't happen until it fucking happens
imagine if you are a russian in 1941. you know how bad things are going to be if the germans win.
you should take that as a fucking motivator to change things, to make it so that that worst-case scenario isn't going to happen, to continue fighting, not fucking take that as a cue to just lay down your arms and partake in doomerism, savoring the flavor of horror and bathing in breath of utter helplessness. no. to do that is to ensure that the worst-case scenario is going to happen.
defeatism is a self-fulfilling prophecy. OP's title is encouraging defeatism.
That's ground temperature, the air temperature was actually 86F.
Larger point still true ofcourse
30C is deeply concerning but within recent temps. Continental Climates can have huge temperature ranges, and the location mentioned has an average July high of 23C and an all time high of 38C (and Average lows of -45C in winter, deeply unpleasant place to live)
Bold of anyone in the western US who isn't resistant to heatstroke to assume we'll have later months
"everybody... everybody get naked... come on, don't be stuck up, it's going to be great"
Look on the bright side: if they are lucky enough to remain inside a shrinking drone-ringed enclave bubble of "civilization" then they get to have their culture and that of their children completely defined by trying to reckon with having murdered the world
if they are lucky enough to remain inside a shrinking drone-ringed enclave bubble of “civilization”
Fortnite is preparing zoomers for the collapse
I do not claim antinatalism. I won't shit on you for having kids, I am asking a question
No. It is not safe to say so. It is never safe to say so. Imagine if people, once confronted with bad fortune and famine, simply lied down and gave up. Imagine if in the unending horrors of the holocaust, the brave people of Russia simply gave up, laid down their arms, and let themselves be raped and slaughtered, to be hung from meat hooks. To serve as the mere chattel of the conquerors, treated as no more valuable than cattle. Imagine if in the confrontation with Japan, the people of China, faced with famine and ruin, faced with torn-apart families, plague, and destitution, faced with all odds against them, faced against an enemy who hasn't been vanquished ever, simply laid down and let themselves become the eternal slaves of foreign powers, to let themselves be the lab rats, the guinea pigs of depraved "science". To let their people be abducted en masse to serve as the sex slaves of the conquerors. No. It did not happen. Against all odds, it did not happen. Against all odds, they persevered, they fought back, and they won. To assume defeat and lay down your arms is to invite it, to make inevitable what isn't inevitable.
Again, we're talking about completely incomparable things here
